Police Effectiveness

[Yorkie]

After reading Ian's comment above I am reminded of the KKK although their quarry was somewhat different!   

[Fester]

A slightly related question...if someone is banned from, say, Wetherspoons, then are they banned from other pubs in Llandudno?

Ha ha Dave...''barred from say Wetherspoons'', (for splitting someones head open with a crutch for example??) ... would they be allowed to go in, oh I don't know,.lets say The London or Fat Cat or Fountains (for the sake of argument) and shout down the mobile phone for 20 minutes, whilst you and I were sitting in those pubs.   

Just a hypothetical illustration I plucked out of the air... L0L L0L

[Yorkie]

...........I would imagine that he will be staying at her Majesty's pleasure for some time.

Does that mean that you are predetermining the outcome of any future trial and presuming that a hefty sentence will be imposed?   Or is it just a light-hearted bit of speculation on your part? 

May I suggest that you be very careful with what you write on this (or any other) Forum!

[Hugo]

...........I would imagine that he will be staying at her Majesty's pleasure for some time.

Does that mean that you are predetermining the outcome of any future trial and presuming that a hefty sentence will be imposed?   Or is it just a light-hearted bit of speculation on your part? 

May I suggest that you be very careful with what you write on this (or any other) Forum!

Yorkie, times have changed in the Police Force over the last 50 years and the situation nowadays cannot be compared to the time that you were on the beat.
Mike's doing a great job under very difficult circumstances and long may it continue. The Police want our support as we do theirs so constant sniping doesn't do anyone any good.
Constructive critisism is different and we can all learn from that but if Mike published a picture on here then he would be damned if he did and also damned if he didn't.  It's a situation he can't win.
Let's just give him the support he deserves. 

[Yorkie]

I have no objection to giving PC Smith or any other Police Officer my support.  However, It is not up to those people to make such public comments, even if a person has confessed to a crime.

The outcome of any trial is determined by the Judge (and Jury) who in the final analysis will determine the sentence, long, short or otherwise.  It is not correct for the prosecuting authority or any of its employees to offer public speculation as to the outcome.   A clever defense lawyer will make excellent use of such public comments as has been seen in past trials.

It may be some time since I served but I do keep abreast of matters legal for my voluntary work in Advocacy.

I am trying to offer advice not criticism.

[PC Mike Smith]

As you know Yorkie, we are not responsible for handing out sentences at court.
As stated, he has admitted numerous offences and it is my belief that a custodial sentence will be imposed in these circumstances.
As i said, i will update when the court result is known.

It is extremely hard to gain the support of local residents as peole's views of the Police have (understandably justified in some cases) deteriorated over the years and i thought this forum was going someway to improving my relationship with the people who i dont manage to meet when walking my beat.

for the record, this is the only forum i use for information purposes, i dont post anywhere else.

[Trojan]

I would imagine that he will be staying at her Majesty's pleasure for some time.

It's alright for some.......

[Yorkie]

I take it that those of us who have made comments are not regarded as being negative!   

I think all comments are all made in good faith and reflect the honest feelings and judgement of the writers.  I think we are all concerned about crime and the presence of the Police in the Community.  However, as you have chosen to use this Forum as a vehicle to obtain support, I think you must also respect the opinions we express. 

[DaveR]

The point is that this thread is not a normal discussion thread, Yorkie. The way it is intended to work is that we post a policing issue pertaining to the Craig y Don, West Shore and Great Orme area and PC Mike then takes a look and reports back to us on it. That's all this thread is for - any other policing discussions/opinions should be made in the Police Effectiveness thread.

[Yorkie]

Thanks - but if PC Smith makes a comment on this thread as per Bugsy, it seems rather stupid me putting a reply on the Police effectiveness thread.

All my comments have been in DIRECT reply to PC Smiths and can only therefore be placed on this thread.

If PC Smith made FACTUAL statements rather than COMMENTS there would possibly be no requirement for replies to be made.  Whilst he is expressing opinions or theories he must expect comment in return.

Furthermore, I am not the only one making comment, so why should I be singled out?

Maybe PC Smiths remarks should be run past you or Ian prior to publication, or does that then smell of censorship.

I think it is also worth remembering that although he has some responsibility for Gogarth and Craig-y-Don he is employed to serve the whole community!

[DaveR]

No-one's being singled out, it's just that you were the last person to comment on the matter so I addressed my reply to you. What I'm saying applies equally to everyone.

As I said, the object of the Policing issues thread is not for people to make comments, but for people to report matters of concern and for Mike to then investigate and then report back. It's really not for any other sort of discussions, perhaps that wasn't made totally clear previously.

I'd agree with you that Mike should perhaps be careful to restrict himself to factual comments when posting in his official capacity.

I have moved most of the off topic comments over to this thread and if if we can keep the other thread strictly for reporting policing matters in the Craig y Don, West Shore and Great Orme area, then I would be very grateful to everyone.  

[Yorkie]

I regard that move as censorship!  However, it's your Forum and you pay for it so you may do as you please.

I will refrain from posting in reply to PC Smith's postings and will make any criticism or comments directly to him by way of PM 's.

[DaveR]

I regard that move as censorship!

No posts have been deleted, so that's not the case... 

[Trojan]

I regard that move as censorship!

No posts have been deleted, so that's not the case... 

 

[brumbob]

I regard that move as censorship!

No posts have been deleted, so that's not the case... 

 Y^^Y


It makes sense, it's good having a local bobby on board, we don't want to scare him away