Police Effectiveness

[Merddin Emrys]

It seems to me that the problem was with the large photograph on here, I could see nothing wrong with the update, you were just informing us of the news, perhaps a smaller picture would not have received the same reaction?   

[Pendragon]

I'm not saying the guy's not a nightmare, what i'm saying is this forum is not an extension of the North Wales Police site.  The photo is not displayed there, why?This forum is one of the most popular in the area and I feel the police are using that fact to their advantage. How many more of the Three Towns criminals will be put on here, Gizzi, Creamer ...............no just the homeless alcoholics.  Our posts will be moderated for mentioning names.....yet they can publish photos!  I'm not impressed, I think it's wrong.   :rage:

[Pendragon]

There is nothing wrong with the update Mike, its the photo I object to, would it be better if you kept these people on file, which you do anyway , then if someone wants a photo and its legal to do so, then PM it or email it to them. This is a public domain at the end of the day and this type of publicity could make the lad a target. Which is simply not fair, given he obviously has a few issues already.

[PC Mike Smith]

As you can see the post has been removed.

[Pendragon]

I understand your point on the courts etc Mike. As I said it's the photo being banded across local forums etc,  I have a problem with, just the photo. Maybe NW Police should devise a portal on their site designed specifically for that purpose?

[Ian]

This is an interesting issue, and one from which I've stood back before becoming involved, as I wanted to see how the current flowed. 

What Mike - in conjunction with the ASBO regulations - did was implement the 21st century version of the stocks.  Interestingly, if you visit  Unemployment and Benefits there's quite a contrast in opinion emerging.

In there, various epithets such as  'scum', 'vermin' and scroungers' have been bandied about, with some suggestions of deportation, the birch, shooting and compulsory sterilisation, to name but four.  What I suspect has caused the uproar here, however,  is the clear and precise identification of an individual.  Unfortunately, whether it's considered right or wrong, it does contravene our Ts and Cs but my main concern is that it sets a dangerous precedent.

Mike:  I think everyone would be happy if you were to post a direct link to the image hosted on the North Wales' Police site itself, but displaying the image itself with details of the individual is possibly not the wisest course of action.  But thanks for being so responsive to comments in here and the work you do.

[Yorkie]

Thank you Ian.   You have saved me posting another comment and defused what could have turned into a rather heated debate.

Despite my reaction to this episode I admire PC Smith's initiative in getting news to the populous - however I think that local Forums and Blogs must be used with caution when disseminating sensitive information, especially when it could have an ongoing effect on those in the news.

I am pleased to see the post has been removed and maybe it would be a good idea for PC Smith to run future articles across the bows of the Admins first, and thereby ensure such a situation will not be repeated.  Not Censorship - just common sense!   
 

[Pendragon]

Mike without doubt you do an excellent job.  The comments left to your posts on this forum are a testament to that.  I hope you haven't taken my criticisms personally as they were not directed at you. Following up with updates on local policing issues and how these issues have been resolved is much appreciated.  

[PC Mike Smith]

pendragon.no i dont take the criticisms personally.i have alot worse happen to me on duty each day and am in the wrong job to be over sensitive.
the reason this post was not on the nwp national site i would imagine is that it is used and viewed by people from all over North Wales and from lots of other parts of the world.i suppose publishing it on there would be a bit disproportionate.
now of course i know that this forum can be seen by the same amount of people but the thread is localised and tends to be mainly people from the local area which are precisely the people who i believe need to know more information about offenders living amongst them.

i live locally and have young children and putting aside my job,
 as a father i am happy that information like this is available and also the new sex offenders information being made available to concerned parents/carers.it is my own personal belief that we are moving in the right direction and that by the info being more readily available will act as more of a deterrent to some than a potential day at court.
however.that is my own opinion and not necessarily that of the organisation or any other nwp officers.

****edited with apologies to pendragon****

[Pendragon]

erm....................Snapdragon?  would that be one of those freudian slips then 

[Yorkie]

I don't need to speak for PC Mike, of course, but the idea of a CRASBO is that the community is made fully aware of the individual and what they are prohibited from doing etc. As such, full details of the Offender are made public, posters issued etc.

So what was the point of putting posters up of The Gizzi Gang?  All now behind bars and no danger to the public.   Just the NWP wanting to grasp every nettle of publicity in order to justify their existance and con the public that they are being successful in fighting crime.

The easy option is prosecuting the poor old motorist which they do constantly.

erm....................Snapdragon?  would that be one of those freudian slips then 

Just the usual "attention to detail" -  Wrong person could easily be arrested - don't fret about it, Flower!
  L0L

[Pendragon]

Ah thanks PYorkie...............I feel better now  

[Llechwedd]

Gosh I'm amazed.  We have a police force here in Llandudno?  Well come to think of it I did see a confused constable wandering down Mostyn Street on Christmas eve in well let me see, oh yes 2009.  They say they are reducing personnel from nothing to nothing - hmm very impressiver.  We must be a law abiding lot.

[Merddin Emrys]

I've seen quite a few Police officers in Llandudno, although only once in Penrhyn Bay  (not counting Police cars)

[Yorkie]

There is one Police Car comes to Penrhryn Bay and the Officer hides in the Health Centre car park waiting to follow and catch anyone that he wishes.   I won't embarrass him by putting his name and picture on here!     L0L