Police Effectiveness

[Fester]

Ha!  I go away for a couple of days and it all kicks off over Bugsy!

I can say 'Bugsy' because its a nickname only, and it remains on an earlier posting on this thread.

This character should have been WAY past the ASBO stage by now.  Its down to the tolerance of the Police (or lack of resource maybe) that he has got away with so much on a regular basis.

I have used phrases like Scum,and Vermin on other threads to describe ''similar'' individuals.... and I haven't got round to ones like Pond-life or dross.  But they certainly apply here.

Listen, anyone who leaps to the defence of this ''gentleman'' and defends his rights, needs to remember that he doesn't give a toss about YOUR rights.
He is entirely anti-social.  Thats not just something that happens in the newspaper, its something that makes people's lives a misery.

There is nothing wrong with 'name and shame', I would put posters up all round town...(a bit like PubSafe which seems to be ineffective these days) to warn people to give ''Bugsy'' a wide berth...

[Trojan]

I was thinking......if the perpetrator happened to be a convicted sex offender, who was living in the Craig-y-Don, West Shore or Great Orme areas, would his photo have been a welcome addition to the forum?

After all, it's always nice to know WHO is living in your neighbourhood.

Last year the Home Office introduced the Violent Crime Action Plan:

http://www.insight-security.com/pdfs/Violent%20crime%20action%20plan%20summary.pdf

investing more than £20 million over the next three years on multi-agency
interventions and information sharing between police, councils, volunteer groups and
health workers to identify people likely to commit acts of serious violence

doing more to protect children from sex offenders – including a pilot in four police
force areas (Cleveland, Cambridgeshire, Hampshire and Warwickshire) to allow the
release of more information about offenders’ convictions to certain members of the
public

[Yorkie]

There are thousands of paedophiles in this and every other country who have yet to be caught.  They are working in School, homes and any other place where they can get into contact with children.  One or two photographs posted around the area is not going to end the problem.  Neither is plastering (forgive the pun) the picture if a renowned alcoholic going to stop him acting as he has for all those years that others have mentioned.  If he has been at it all that time then everyone must know him and pictures are not required.

I personally have not seen him since I moved from the Gogarth Ward and the Gloddaeth Avenue area.  But I know how to deal with him should our paths cross again in the future.

Rehabilitation is available it just takes him and the authorities to do something about it.

[Trojan]

Rehabilitation is available it just takes him and the authorities to do something about it.

Well yes, maybe, but the  Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales Police was kicked in the leg by "Bugsy" hours after he was released from prison.

It meant "Bugsy", 39, had  breached an Anti Social Behaviour Order (ASBO) against him a staggering (forgive the pun) 26 times.

The Authorities have been doing something about it.

Unfortunately "Bugsy" hasn't.

[DaveR]

Do you remember him, Trojan? He was always around town in the late 80s/early 90s?

[DaveR]

Well yes, maybe, but the  Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales Police was kicked in the leg by "Bugsy" hours after he was released from prison.

I believe, that time, the Police were called after Bugsy was found staggering down Church Walks, shouting 'Welcome to f**king Wales' at the top of his voice. Maybe we can get him a job with the Tourist Board?

[Trojan]

Do you remember him, Trojan? He was always around town in the late 80s/early 90s?

It would have helped if I could have seen the photo! 







 

[Trojan]

Well yes, maybe, but the  Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales Police was kicked in the leg by "Bugsy" hours after he was released from prison.

I believe, that time, the Police were called after Bugsy was found staggering down Church Walks, shouting 'Welcome to f**king Wales' at the top of his voice. Maybe we can get him a job with the Tourist Board?

He could stand at the top of Penrhyn Hill...... Z**

[Merddin Emrys]

Well yes, maybe, but the  Deputy Chief Constable of North Wales Police was kicked in the leg by "Bugsy" hours after he was released from prison.

I believe, that time, the Police were called after Bugsy was found staggering down Church Walks, shouting 'Welcome to f**king Wales' at the top of his voice. Maybe we can get him a job with the Tourist Board?

 L0L L0L

[Fester]

Its a shame that 'Bugsy' seems to have taken up residence on the bench outside St Seiriols Church, along with  couple of other notorious drop outs.

The shame being, that along there you have quite a lot of pleasant and well-heeled visitors staying at the Grand Ash and the Dunoon hotels.
Also, a lot of retired people have to go past them to get to the retirement flats along Gloddaeth Ave.
You don't want those type of scum bags making it even more unpleasant for holiday makers.

Did I say Scum Bags?    Yes.... just making sure I said SCUM BAGS.

Remember, before you leap to thier defence, they care not a jot about you.

[Trojan]

As we're getting the forum involved why not have a competition for users to design the best wooden placard that we can wrap around his neck.

I think a metal one would be more robust.

[Ian]

I was thinking......if the perpetrator happened to be a convicted sex offender, who was living in the Craig-y-Don, West Shore or Great Orme areas, would his photo have been a welcome addition to the forum?

I don't think it would make any difference. Yorkie's comment is correct, and there's an important issue about crime and punishment in general. If someone has been punished by society, then we have to decide if we - as a society - believe in the possibility of rehabilitation, because if we don't, and if we structure our society with that perspective, then we might just as well impose a single - and capital - sentence for most crimes.  Justice is not about seeking revenge, or shouldn't be;  it ought to be about making someone realise that they've transgressed whilst affording them the opportunity to make amends and stay out of trouble.

And more kids are killed, injured and mentally scarred by careless motorists than they are by sex offenders.

[Pendragon]

.(a bit like PubSafe which seems to be ineffective these days)

You have to sign a Data Protection agreement and collect photos from the police station.

You are not permitted, under any circumstances to show anyone the photos apart from staff and they have to be kept well away from the public, under the bar or in the office.  
Your right Fester , in some cases Pubsafe is a complete farce, however in others it's entirely necessary. I can't elaborate futher as I have also had to sign the agreement.  

[DaveR]

A slightly related question...if someone is banned from, say, Wetherspoons, then are they banned from other pubs in Llandudno?

[Pendragon]

It depends if Wethers have barred the individual from just their outlet or whether they have put the persons name forward in a Pubsafe meeting.  If it's the latter then a term is decided in that meeting and all pubs in Llandudno must comply.  The council has made it a condition on your Premises License.