Thanks to Born2run for enquiring, and also to Fester for answering the question. Where would I be without friends like that ? A few more friends like Fester and I wouldnt have to do any work, just sit back and let them do all the worrying and answering!!! Anyway, today, Saturday, started off terrible weather wise, me in McDonalds until around 11 a.m. looking up at the Orme, have another coffee, cancel the helper I had coming. But around midday the clouds lifted and I had a very reasonable afternoon and early evening. So here is hoping for tomorrow. Hope to see you, Born2run. No running around the course, no cycling, no this, no that. Thats according to the Council who own the land, but I've lost the instructions---so welcome. Mike