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Re: Unemployment and Benefits
« Reply #405 on: February 08, 2013, 07:28:40 pm »
I’m minded of a meeting in India between Margaret Thatcher and Irinda Gandhi back in the 70’s. Mrs Gandhi was haranguing our P.M. because she thought we were not accepting enough immigrants from the sub-continent, especially with their overcrowding problem. It was finally resolved when Mrs Thatcher pointed out there were more people per square mile in the UK than there were in India. That of course was before we had mass immigration into the UK from the EU.

P.S.  B2R, I am not Left or Right wing or even a racist, merely a realist. 
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« Reply #406 on: February 09, 2013, 11:33:00 am »
I would never dream you were any of those things Blongb, you are, however, wrong

To give you some idea where we are internationally, here is a list of all the countries with a population density greater than ours.
(These numbers are people per square KM)

174.359 Monaco
67.179 Hong Kong (China)
62.687 Singapore
22.727 Holy See
12.500 Malta
11.047 Bangladesh
10.000 Maldives
9.859 Bahrain
6.977 Barbados
6.500 Nauru
5.911   Mauritius
5.833   Taiwan
5.648   Gaza Strip & West Bank
4.801   Republic of Korea
4.752   Netherlands
4.500   San Marino
4.397   Puerto Rico
3.530   India
3.519   Lebanon
3.498   Japan
3.364   Rwanda
3.333   Tuvalu
3.139   Comoros
3.138   Belgium
3.089   El Salvador
2.975   Haiti
2.941   Grenada
2.924   Sri Lanka
2.902   Israel
2.889   Marshall Islands
2.636   Philippines
2.570   Burundi
2.564   St Vincent & The Grenadines
2.534   Trinidad & Tobago
2.467   Vietnam
2.454   United Kingdom

I find the fact that 4 out of 5 people in this country think we are "too crowded" much more worrying.  Clearly a lot of people are effectively brainwashed by the tacky, angry, tabloids venting their hate in order to sell units based on paranoia and fear. It's nothing new, but it's perhaps worse now than it's ever been.



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« Reply #407 on: February 09, 2013, 01:41:40 pm »
According to the records for 2012,  Monaco is the most densely populated country in the world and it has a total population of 35,000 with 15,255 people per square kilometre.
What has happened since to increase the population?








 

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« Reply #408 on: February 09, 2013, 02:25:54 pm »
I would never dream you were any of those things Blongb, you are, however, wrong

To give you some idea where we are internationally, here is a list of all the countries with a population density greater than ours.
(These numbers are people per square KM)


I find the fact that 4 out of 5 people in this country think we are "too crowded" much more worrying.  Clearly a lot of people are effectively brainwashed by the tacky, angry, tabloids venting their hate in order to sell units based on paranoia and fear. It's nothing new, but it's perhaps worse now than it's ever been.

Love to know where you got your figures B2R mine were somewhat different. Perhaps I was wrong to say the U.K. when it was in fact England that Maggie Thatcher was referring to, as it does account for 84% of the U.K.'s population. Beyond Europe, England's population density is among the highest in the world for major countries. England ranks third in density after Bangladesh (1,045 per sq km) and South Korea (498 per sq km).     http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in-Europe.html    Love her or hate her Mrs Thatcher didn’t get her facts wrong.
As for tacky tabloids I am in complete agreement with you and stopped buying and reading them over 15 years ago.
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« Reply #409 on: February 09, 2013, 02:29:29 pm »
This is my source - it is from 2008, so doesn't take into account the most recent census but is an interesting perspective all the same

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/09/map_of_the_week_crowded_britai.html

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« Reply #410 on: February 09, 2013, 02:35:16 pm »
This is my source - it is from 2008, so doesn't take into account the most recent census but is an interesting perspective all the same

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/09/map_of_the_week_crowded_britai.html

Just goes to show how quickly thinks move on and we still have the Bulgarians and Rumanians to look forward to.
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« Reply #411 on: February 10, 2013, 12:35:45 pm »
I can understand as a member of the EU that there is freedom to move and work in any member country but I cannot understand why this country has to pay benefits to foreign workers families when the families are not actually living in this country!
As for anyone wishing to work here from outside the EU then that is OK providing that the job cannot be done by a person from the UK or even the EU.
As for anyone wishing to just live in the UK it wouldn't be unreasonable to ask them, as other countries do, to provide evidence that they are financially independant and they are aware that they will not be be entitled  to any benefits from the UK

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« Reply #412 on: February 21, 2013, 09:20:32 pm »
I don't know if I should be posting the article under this heading or the one under Scum as both seem appropriate.        :rage: :rage:


I've sorted out the link, Hugo, as it seemed you had nested several URL bits together and they weren't displaying properly.

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Re: Unemployment and Benefits
« Reply #413 on: April 03, 2013, 09:10:21 pm »
From the London evening Standard:

I can see why people might want to make Iain Duncan Smith live on a £53-a-week salary — but I can’t help wondering what it would achieve. The petition calling for the Work and Pensions Secretary to honour his infamous boast now has more than a quarter of a million signatures. That would be enough to have it debated  in Parliament if the Government’s e-petitions site hadn’t rejected the proposal as “offensive, joke or nonsense content”. If only such high standards applied to Government policy.

Perhaps the best we can hope for is a fly-on-the-wall documentary in which the callous minister swaps his £134,565 salary and four spare bedrooms for the harsh economies of a life on benefits. Still, only if he were to live that way month after month, unheralded and unheard, would the experiment have any merit. Reality does not work like reality TV — and the welfare debate has been distorted enough by the idea that everyone on benefits is living some sort of My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding high life.

There are noble arguments for ending welfare dependency but the Conservatives have been happy to fall back on “mistrust thy neighbour” arguments instead. Yesterday, adopting an absurd Mockney accent, George Osborne alluded to the shocking cases of the “£100,000 benefit claimants” — when he should really know that there are only five such families in Britain.

Such are the terms of the debate, it’s hardly a surprise that the Daily Mail would try to expose the impoverished market trader who challenged IDS in the first place. His crime? He claimed that terrible weather conditions had meant he could only open his stall for 21 days this year, “despite selling cold weather gear”.

It’s no wonder the public has such distorted ideas about welfare. According to a recent survey we estimate that 41 per cent of the welfare budget goes to unemployed people — when actually it’s three per cent. We also assume that 27 per cent of the welfare bill is claimed fraudulently. In reality it is less than one per cent.

The largest part of the welfare budget actually goes to pensioners — around 47 per cent. The next largest portion goes on in-work benefits for low-paid workers, the £29.91 billion spent on tax credits dwarfing the £4.91 billion spent on Jobseeker’s Allowance. In effect this means taxpayers are subsidising companies to pay their workers less than is required for them to live — which in turn limits demand in the economy.

These are the structural imbalances our ministers should be addressing. However, just as Osborne was giving his speech on making work pay, it was announced that the Government is considering lowering the minimum wage. Then again, it is far easier to blame poor people than it is to help them.
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Re: Unemployment and Benefits
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Re: Unemployment and Benefits
« Reply #415 on: April 04, 2013, 02:33:01 pm »
I can't make a lo of sense of those, particularly their 'guestimates'.
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Re: Unemployment and Benefits
« Reply #416 on: August 02, 2013, 05:44:07 am »
There are those on "Workfare(fair?). They do not get offers of long term employment at the end of their stint as free labour for whichever firms (or Charities, even one Union that I know of) they're sent to so, that begs the question: what happens to the workers on part time contracts? Companies can get that constant source of free labour, so why bother to take on anybody they have to pod out money to?                                                                                                                                                                  Just a thought.

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« Reply #417 on: September 04, 2013, 09:52:07 pm »
Latest statistics show that over THIRTY PERCENT of households in Glasgow have no one between the ages of 16 and 65 in any kind of employment.

Liverpool is not far behind with 29% of households being entirely WORKLESS.  Report below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23958763

Who are the government fooling when they talk of recovery being underway?  We have entire cities and generations of families with no hope for the future.
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« Reply #418 on: November 14, 2013, 10:07:42 am »
Good news?

THE number of people in work in Wales increased by 14,000 over the last quarter as unemployment continued to fall, new figures showed today.

The Welsh jobless total was down to 117,000, a drop of 4,000 over the period and the same compared to last year.

But employment rose in the three months to September to 1.38m, some 22,000 more than a year ago.

Economic inactivity in Wales was 447,000, a drop of 19,000 over the year while the claimant count in October was 67,500, down 1,800 over the quarter and 12,800 over the year.

The number of people claiming Job Seekers Allowance in Wales has fallen by 1,800 since September 2013 and is 12,800 lower than in October last year.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/number-welsh-people-work-increases-6300036

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« Reply #419 on: November 14, 2013, 11:52:16 pm »
My two issues with those figures...

1, The quality of the jobs being taken are generally inferior (in my opinion) to the jobs and careers which were available in the past decades.

2, I find it very odd how the economic picture starts to 'miraculously' improve, just as the Govt start thinking about needing to be re-elected.   I don't buy it I'm afraid.
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