Unemployment and Benefits

[Ian]

By not revealing the name and nature of the show
By filming people so riddled with illness/addiction they are incapable of making a reasoned choice
Bribing said people with alcohol and gifts in exchange for them doing/saying more outrageous antics

Few more but you get my point I'm sure.

It's interesting, because those things were exactly what were being said when Big Brother first arrived on our screens.

[born2run]

Big Brother is not purporting any one group though, where as this show is directly targeting benefit claimants.

[Ian]

I agree.  I think the point is that exploitative TV is fairly indiscriminate, just so long as the ratings are good.

[SteveH]

I agree.  I think the point is that exploitative TV is fairly indiscriminate, just so long as the ratings are good.

Exploitative TV appears moronic, and only condones and encourages future generations to act the same or worse.

 

[Ian]

True...

[born2run]

I agree.  I think the point is that exploitative TV is fairly indiscriminate, just so long as the ratings are good.

Exploitative TV appears moronic, and only condones and encourages future generations to act the same or worse.

 

Good point - take big brother as 1 example - the first one was raw but the ones after the fellow 'contestants' all took their cues from the earlier on and so it went until it became a total carnival

[DaveR]

Good point - take big brother as 1 example - the first one was raw but the ones after the fellow 'contestants' all took their cues from the earlier on and so it went until it became a total carnival

Agreed.

[Fester]

We are all in agreement about Big Brother then, in all it's forms.
It is indeed garbage.

But, I can't seem to get my wife to agree, as she is entirely fascinated with it.   

[Michael]

   Sorry, I have just reread my post. I should have said SteveH --- not SteveR.

   So I spotted my error. That;s what the papers proof readers should do, if they employ any

[SteveH]

   Sorry, I have just reread my post. I should have said SteveH --- not SteveR.
   So I spotted my error. That;s what the papers proof readers should do, if they employ any

No problem Mike,....knew who you meant, ....sorry about the mix up, I get my info from the newspapers on line, and it was from memory that I advised you about the change, I remember seeing the 40mph and later the alteration to 30mph...so assumed it was a misprint  on line so to speak. 
So your comments still stand..  

PS. Mike just finished above reply, and have found the paper, it says "restored to 40mph limit last week" there you go.

[SteveH]

Residents left to maintain 'wild' Old Colwyn graveyard themselves

A spokesperson for the church said a groundskeeper was employed by the interest on church savings, but that money dried up after the economic crash, and the Parish of Colwyn “cannot afford ongoing maintenance costs”.

“We don’t have to do it, we just do it, and we do it out of respect.”
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx

This story made me think.....How many are claiming benefits year in year out, or on community service who could/should be helping out in situations like this.
How many cut backs on services have we had, how many are coming, I am not suggesting we take someones job, but they could be helping the gardeners or extra street cleaning etc. gaining a work ethic, (I am trying to keep a straight face at the moment) this is an underused human resource.

[born2run]

Residents left to maintain 'wild' Old Colwyn graveyard themselves

A spokesperson for the church said a groundskeeper was employed by the interest on church savings, but that money dried up after the economic crash, and the Parish of Colwyn “cannot afford ongoing maintenance costs”.

“We don’t have to do it, we just do it, and we do it out of respect.”
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx

This story made me think.....How many are claiming benefits year in year out, or on community service who could/should be helping out in situations like this.
How many cut backs on services have we had, how many are coming, I am not suggesting we take someones job, but they could be helping the gardeners or extra street cleaning etc. gaining a work ethic, (I am trying to keep a straight face at the moment) this is an underused human resource.

Have you ever considered that some people may be claiming benefits for a legitimate reason? Or are you assuming they are all frauds and are capable of maintaining a grave yard?

[Hugo]

Residents left to maintain 'wild' Old Colwyn graveyard themselves

A spokesperson for the church said a groundskeeper was employed by the interest on church savings, but that money dried up after the economic crash, and the Parish of Colwyn “cannot afford ongoing maintenance costs”.

“We don’t have to do it, we just do it, and we do it out of respect.”
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx

This story made me think.....How many are claiming benefits year in year out, or on community service who could/should be helping out in situations like this.
How many cut backs on services have we had, how many are coming, I am not suggesting we take someones job, but they could be helping the gardeners or extra street cleaning etc. gaining a work ethic, (I am trying to keep a straight face at the moment) this is an underused human resource.

Have you ever considered that some people may be claiming benefits for a legitimate reason? Or are you assuming they are all frauds and are capable of maintaining a grave yard?

I was expecting such a response from BTR so I'm not surprised by his usual comments.     Steve is not saying that they are all frauds so why are you so defensive about it?    Why can't we use their skill and labour to help out in situations like Steve has described, what's so bad about using the best untapped resource we have and after all it would give those people something worth while to do.
I'm just sick and tired of do gooders quoting human rights, health and safety and not suggesting anything constructive in it's place.
David Cameron is already suggesting using the young unemployed to do such work but I'm sorry that will never materialise as Conservatives will be kicked out of office hopefully next year.   

[Yorkie]

Hugo said: 
David Cameron is already suggesting using the young unemployed to do such work but I'm sorry that will never materialise as Conservatives will be kicked out of office hopefully next year.   

And if he is kicked out we will get yet another Government, with promises and polices galore, promises that will not be met and policues that will do nothing to get us out of the s****y state we are in.
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[SteveH]

   Have you ever considered that some people may be claiming benefits for a legitimate reason? Or are you assuming they are all frauds and are capable of maintaining a grave yard? 

Hi B2R .... I try my best never to assume...... there is legitimate manpower not being used, and I did mention work "ethic" it is very easy to get out of the habit of working......The "frauds" or long term (fit) unemployed, this is difficult to explain, my own feelings, probable sound old fashioned, but there is always work out there, and I am using my own experiences in saying that.
I also believe anyone can volunteer there services without affecting benefits.
"You are considered to be a volunteer if you do not receive payment for the work you do (apart from expenses), are not volunteering because of a legal obligation (such as a sentence), help out a non-profit making organisation such as a charity or help someone who is not a family member."
It seems they encourage it....
"Volunteering can offer a rewarding way to make the most of time spent on benefits. Not only can you gain new skills but you can also gather useful experience and contacts which may help you to find a job"

original link...
.http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx