Unemployment and Benefits

[born2run]

Yes Fester since Child abuse has stopped in schools the world is surely a much worse place 

On your whitterings about the 'degradation' of society

"“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

That's not a quote from you or anyone else on here, that is a quote from Socrates in about 400BC!

Nothing is new 

[SteveH]

I watched a program last night on benefits ...Great Yarmouth were most of the work is seasonal

One lad on benefits for 6 years, who said he wanted to work, would do anything, was sent for barmans job at the holiday camp, he did not have a clue, nobody had prepared him for the interview, a small thing but, he turned up, looking like a tramp, and could not answer the most basic interview questions, he did however get the job? but without any workplace experience lasted two weeks.!

A woman on benefits for over 25 years, had to leave her 2 bed house, because of the bedroom tax, and move in with a friend in a similar situation, they blamed this on pensioners, "why do they get pensions and winter fuel allowance, when they could wrap themselves up in a blanket", they were being serious.

A 17 year old girl with a 3 month old baby, and boyfriend who had never worked, sat all day watching their 50 TV and talking on their contracted, top of the range mobile, her dream for the future....her new baby girl was going to marry prince George.

If we do not educate and prepare, this is what you get.
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[Fester]

Yes Fester since Child abuse has stopped in schools the world is surely a much worse place 

Ah Dave, as usual, you only see 'black and white'., whereas the real world exists in the gaps between your blinkered views.

I'm afraid that some examples of child abuse did exist at the time of corporal punishment.  But that might have been 0.1% of instances (at a wild guess)
However, most corporal punishment served as guidance,  discipline, or a means of prevention.

[SteveH]

"However, most corporal punishment served as guidance,  discipline, or a means of prevention."

" I also believe it is a inherent lack of RESPECT that has accelerated it.   I firmly believe that the turning point was when corporal punishment was abolished in schools."

I have said and thought this for a long time, but put it down to the generation gap.

[Yorkie]

I do not believe that discipline can be improved by the use of corporal punishment.  Punishment creates resentment and resentment will create a lack of respect.  Just a vicious circle is the result.

Most children can be trained, if that is the right word, by example, understanding, explanation and kindness.
 ZXZ

[Fester]

I do not believe that discipline can be improved by the use of corporal punishment.  Punishment creates resentment and resentment will create a lack of respect.  Just a vicious circle is the result.

Most children can be trained, if that is the right word, by example, understanding, explanation and kindness.
 ZXZ

Spare the rod, spoil the child.... that's what I always say!   

[SteveH]

I do not believe that discipline can be improved by the use of corporal punishment.  Punishment creates resentment and resentment will create a lack of respect.  Just a vicious circle is the result.
Most children can be trained, if that is the right word, by example, understanding, explanation and kindness.

I agree Yorkie..."Most Children"

[Ian]

So we're coming back to the most pertinent issue: the inability of the parent to parent. Once again, for whatever reason, we return to the the simple fact that many parents are simply incompetent.

If we do not educate and prepare, this is what you get.

But we're living as a society in denial. There is a very real body of opinion that denies the existence of stupidity - or the lack of intelligence. Is it not possible that some people are simply ineducable?

[born2run]

Not if you are saying this is ONLY happening in today's society and didn't happen before.

People have not got stupider as the years have gone on, if anything they have got more intelligent

[SteveH]

Not if you are saying this is ONLY happening in today's society and didn't happen before.
People have not got stupider as the years have gone on, if anything they have got more intelligent

I wish they would show it.....if what is on television and watched these days is anything to go by, we are ........

[Fester]

Not if you are saying this is ONLY happening in today's society and didn't happen before.

People have not got stupider as the years have gone on, if anything they have got more intelligent

Spend a day with me, on the Pier in high season, you might change your mind about that.
Apart from the most upsetting and sickening examples of bad parenting, (which I often wonder if I should report to the authorities)..
You will also hear such classics as..
'Scuse me mate,  when did they build the Great Orme?'

'I came here a few years ago, can I have another jar of that STUFF, I bought for HIM?'

For any further evidence required, simply tune in to any episode of Jeremy Kyle.

[Ian]

Not if you are saying this is ONLY happening in today's society and didn't happen before.

I'm not. But I suspect societies in days gone by were generally more supportive and helpful towards each other, and - in particular -  towards extended family members than they are now. The other major change is that single parenting is now seen almost as a status symbol by some. Single parents were largely unheard of prior to 1960...

People have not got stupider as the years have gone on, if anything they have got more intelligent

That's actually incorrect. There is a substantial body of research that seems to be indicating that evolution might be selecting towards the norm. In other words, people are not becoming more intelligent - merely averaging out at about 100 in IQ terms. In real terms that means we might be losing the really unintelligent, but we're also losing the really bright. Extremely worrying in the longer term.

[Ian]

I see Fester's just made a similarly depressing point.

[born2run]

Well perhaps what I mean to say is people are certainly better educated - literacy rates for example have obviously gone up. Like you say though we are being exposed to stupider people through the media where as years ago these empty heads wouldn't have got the time of day.

Jeremy Kyle, Every way is Essex, Geordie Slappers and those other shows only pick their prey from the numpty tree.

[Hugo]

As much as I have tried to understand BTR's comments, I cannot for the life of me understand what objection he holds to able bodied people on benefits being made to do some constructive community work.
What on earth is wrong with that?     It would give them some purpose and sense of achievement and at the same time the community that is unable to fund these projects would benefit from their labour.