born2run we need you to go around Llandudno and explain what the local pubs are doing wrong,i must admit i like the Snowdon,the Cottage Loaf,Gresham,Queen Vic and the Albert,not sure what the Sun inn is like you must explain.
Not entirely the pub's fault they have to deal with Devilspoons on the doorstep taking away the custom.
20/30 people in spoons and the place seems dead because of the vastness of the place, put those people in Gresham or the Vic and the place looks lively.
But simply put, the pubs in OC rely on local customers and so treat them well and put things on for them - Red Lion for example has darts, pool, a jukebox, selection of real ales and they put all the football channels on the telly. The Marine regularly has band nights as does the Sun Inn.
Most pubs in Llandudno couldn't give a toss about local custom and choose to rely on tourists instead and I'll give you a prime example, the Carlton stick a pool table up in the Winter then take it away as soon as the summer season hits they remove it to cram in some more dinner tables for the visitors.