The 2011 Riots

[born2run]

Once the Police have rounded the perpetrators they should put them in the chimp and gorrila cages in all the UK Zoos so that ordinary people can go and ogle them.   Feed them on what the animals get, for they are just animals themselves.   Let them sleep on straw that they will no doubt soil with their own waste.  Leave them without heat or light.  Let the public throw stale buns and rotting vegetables at them and laugh at their plight.   They'll soon learn!    WWW

You've just described the Jeremy Kyle show

[Fester]

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomley shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

No, because only a small minority of people are criminals. However, shooting 25% of criminals would probably result in a 25% reduction in crime..

I agree with the sentiment, but dispute the figures.
If the police shot 1% of the rioters, it would reduce crime by 75%,  thats the deterrent effect.
Also, I agree with the poster on Oscar, but would go further.
The biggest dip in the respect for authority came when corporal punishment was abolished in schools.
Suddenly there really were no consequences for bad behaviour, and if that is what a child believes then the adult will turn out much worse.
Civilisation and enlightened society is a laudable thing to strive for, but it is also a 'house of cards' if too many are not ready for it!

[born2run]

I remember back in the 90s... Tony Blair said that there is no longer a class system in Britain...

How wrong he was.

There is now the simplest form of class system Britain's ever had

The haves and the have nots.

Everyone on this forum is in the haves class (no matter how much you all moan about benefits etc, being a have is about more than just having money and possesions).

Sadly the have nots are the ones running around setting fire to things...

It took about 30 years awful politics to get us into this mess, it'll take just as long to try and get out.

[DaveR]

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomley shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

No, because only a small minority of people are criminals. However, shooting 25% of criminals would probably result in a 25% reduction in crime..

There in lies your problem in a riot situation it is IMPOSSIBLE to tell who is a criminal and who isn't.. I would be a lot more fearful for my friends and family if the army were involved in this.

Shouldn't you be more fearful for the people who have had their homes, jobs and businesses destroyed? Seems to me that you have your priorities wrong - you're more concerned about criminals than decent people?

[born2run]

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomley shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

No, because only a small minority of people are criminals. However, shooting 25% of criminals would probably result in a 25% reduction in crime..

I agree with the sentiment, but dispute the figures.
If the police shot 1% of the rioters, it would reduce crime by 75%,  thats the deterrent effect.
Also, I agree with the poster on Oscar, but would go further.
The biggest dip in the respect for authority came when corporal punishment was abolished in schools.
Suddenly there really were no consequences for bad behaviour, and if that is what a child believes then the adult will turn out much worse.
Civilisation and enlightened society is a laudable thing to strive for, but it is also a 'house of cards' if too many are not ready for it!

common myth

Society is really no more violent today than it has ever been when the harshest punishments were handed out. http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr202/violent.htm

[born2run]

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomley shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

No, because only a small minority of people are criminals. However, shooting 25% of criminals would probably result in a 25% reduction in crime..

There in lies your problem in a riot situation it is IMPOSSIBLE to tell who is a criminal and who isn't.. I would be a lot more fearful for my friends and family if the army were involved in this.

Shouldn't you be more fearful for the people who have had their homes, jobs and businesses destroyed? Seems to me that you have your priorities wrong - you're more concerned about criminals than decent people?

By even drawing the line between "decent people" and criminals, and indeed by starting a topic called "scum" you are already deeply added to the problem you seem to care so much about.

I care exactly the same for ALL people..

"You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? (Matthew 5:43-47 )"

[DaveR]

You say that but you hadn't expressed any concern for the victims of the riots until I pointed it out?

[born2run]

You say that but you hadn't expressed any concern for the victims of the riots until I pointed it out?

By helping those at the bottom we help everyone... if you remove the bottom bricks from a wall the whole thing comes tumbling down, that's what has happened gradually since the 80s.

[Pendragon]

B2R are you seriously saying that if an individual came to your home and burnt it to the ground endangering the lives of your family and children then went on to destroy your business by looting.......you'd give them a big hug would you?

[Merddin Emrys]

'I care exactly the same for ALL people..'


"You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike. If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? (Matthew 5:43-47 )"

you say 'I care exactly the same for ALL people..'

  And I do not, this underclass is a disease that needs curing by force


Oh dear, was this the same god that flooded the earth and brought swarms of locusts etc.... I do not love my enemies and I never will!

[Pendragon]

I thought it was written in the bible "an eye for an eye"

Call me a hypocrite but I am only capable of forgiveness when I see true remorse. 

[DaveR]

Indeed, these people care not one jot about you or I. They would happily steal from us all and destroy our property. They have absolutely no regard for anyone other than themselves. The usual lefty excuses get trotted out about deprivation - if that is true, why did we spend £180,000,000,000 on welfare last year?

[Trojan]

Fair play there is people out there prepared to speak out against these thugs.

Nice find Angie. 

[Trojan]

From whats been said on face book and the vids being posted Millwall and Palace fans have joined up to get rid of the rioters.  I can't post them here for some reason.  It seems racist factors of the communities are now getting involved with the excuse"it's for the nation"?

The Bushwackers have been protecting Eltham High St.

It's not as if Millwall fans have never rioted though is it? 

I'd never thought I'd see the day.......

"No one likes us.....we don't care" well, maybe everyone does now! 

Where's the Yids up in Tottenham and the ICF in Hackney?

[Pendragon]

I've got to say if I was a rioter faced with Millwall fans running at me I'd drop the plasma and run throwing women and children behind me.  As an innocent resident or shop owner I would for once be made up with the football fans being on my side.