The 2011 Riots

[born2run]

Well swooping in with bullets and banging up every one who looks a bit suspect is NOT going to work!
They tried that in Northern Ireland and look what happened!! almost 30 years of bloodshed after 1972.. and they finally realised that the way to get things done was to TALK to those involved. Not condemm them.

There is a large number of people clearly who feel completely out of touch with the society they are in, and it's these outcasts that need to be reached out to and helped, not shot at, put in prison or anything else so thoughtless.

[born2run]

Ah well this is of course the next logical progression.

The rioters and looters are predominantly black, it is not wrong to say that .. its true, look at the TV footage.
It is only cities with a heavy black population (Wolverhampton, Bristol etc) that have followed suit.

So, of course this will cause further divisions along ethnic lines, and allow the BNP, the EDL and others to garner more support.

But thats natural, and the rioters have brought it on themselves ... and deserve all they get in terms of vilification and punishment.
There has to be an example set, long prison sentences etc... a few cracked heads by police batons, its the only thing they understand.   Remember this, they would do it to YOU, without a moments hesitation.

My point exactly Fester. However I like to think that I'm reasoned and educated enough to be ABOVE the same mentality as those who are rioting... You are clearly going for the if they can do it why can't we approach... That is going to get nobody anywhere... except more violence and antipathy from those involved.

For every skull you crack they'll be hundreds more like them stepping forward, just like there was in the IRA and the UDA.

[Pendragon]

B2B Ireland was based on religion and oppression, these riots I'm afraid have nothing to do with either and more to do with looting a plasma and running amok. 

[born2run]

B2B Ireland was based on religion and oppression, these riots I'm afraid have nothing to do with either and more to do with looting a plasma and running amok.

Not really... it was based on how those people were treated and how they felt their role was in society.. read the autobiographys of nearly any ex Ulster terrorist and the stories always the same... it was the way they were expected to act and so they did. Most of them will tell you they are really no different than the people they were fighting against.

We are a greedy gameshow culture now, reality TV has a lot to answer for in that respect. Is it any wonder that people think it's acceptable to grab a Plasma TV from a shop window, when other morons have made millions coming from the same background and having no talent but having been "lucky" enough to be exploited by a certain TV show.

We're a smash and grab society I'm afraid - hard work is no longer a revered quality.

[TheMedz]

The young lad who openly set fire to Miss Selfridges in Manchester and the vast majority of the people confronting the police in Salford where white skinned The other main  difference between these 2 areas and all the other riot sites was that the perpetrators didn't have the sense to cover themselves up and should hopefully be able to be traced.

[Fester]

The crux is this..  a few thousand years ago, the human race decided that it wanted to become civilised.

As such, they created a society, with levels, customs and above all LAWS.

For society to function, these laws (which vary from society to society) must be enforced. Enforced hard, and sometimes savagely to deter those who want to undermine and destroy civilised society.

If these anarchists persist and get their own way, won't they be gutted when society tumbles and there is no electricity to power thier 40 inch plasma telly,  or a double-cheeseburger for £1.39?   They will not like what they seek.

[Merddin Emrys]

Well swooping in with bullets and banging up every one who looks a bit suspect is NOT going to work!
They tried that in Northern Ireland and look what happened!! almost 30 years of bloodshed after 1972.. and they finally realised that the way to get things done was to TALK to those involved. Not condemm them.

There is a large number of people clearly who feel completely out of touch with the society they are in, and it's these outcasts that need to be reached out to and helped, not shot at, put in prison or anything else so thoughtless.

I very much doubt that I would ever agree with you about anything, if these idiots have been shot they can't do it again!

[DaveR]

This was an interesting post on Oscar:

The basic problem is that our country has gone soft; soft on crime and soft on punishment. There is now no deterrent to stop the "don't work, won't work" youth from just doing what they like. The emperor’s new clothes just won't cover up the holes in the system any longer. The bad guys have realised that if they overload the system, the system can't cope. Thousands rioting? they can't imprison all of them so there's not much to fear. Co-ordinated attacks on different areas - the police are just spread to thin. Rioters can use bricks, fireworks, petrol bombs and then can hide behind the human rights act. Want something? Just take it nobody's going to stop you; and if they do stop you, just shout police victimisation! No fear, there's not much to be afraid of! If caught, the worst they'll probably get is a two month suspended sentence or a few hours community service. Yea, that's really frightening!

The time has come, I'm afraid to say, to wind back some civilisation. This is a bitter pill. We should all find it distasteful. However, the decent humane approach has failed. Over the last forty years respect for the laws of our land has eroded away. The criminal and lawless fraternity have pushed against the old boundaries; the boundaries hard set during centuries of capital and corporal punishment. The good and gentlefolk of this land have tried to make the lot of the criminal more civilised and humane. The criminal fraternity is now seeing this humanity as weakness and is increasingly taking advantage of it.

Read the riot act and bring back the birch. Soon it will be too late and it really will be Anarchy in the U.K.

10 August 2011 00:39

[born2run]

Well swooping in with bullets and banging up every one who looks a bit suspect is NOT going to work!
They tried that in Northern Ireland and look what happened!! almost 30 years of bloodshed after 1972.. and they finally realised that the way to get things done was to TALK to those involved. Not condemm them.

There is a large number of people clearly who feel completely out of touch with the society they are in, and it's these outcasts that need to be reached out to and helped, not shot at, put in prison or anything else so thoughtless.

I very much doubt that I would ever agree with you about anything, if these idiots have been shot they can't do it again!

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomley shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

[DaveR]

It was good to see the people of Enfield standing up for their community last night. About 400 of them were in the Town Square ready to defend the shops etc against rioters. No doubt the Lefties won't like that either! I see it as Cameron's Big Society taken to its logical conclusion. 

[DaveR]

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomley shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

No, because only a small minority of people are criminals. However, shooting 25% of criminals would probably result in a 25% reduction in crime..

[Merddin Emrys]

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomly shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

No, because only a small minority of people are criminals. However, shooting 25% of criminals would probably result in a 25% reduction in crime..

exactly, you can talk to these idiots all day long, to 99% of them it will be pointless, they are too far gone, think of the massive savings in benefits too!

[Yorkie]

Once the Police have rounded the perpetrators they should put them in the chimp and gorrila cages in all the UK Zoos so that ordinary people can go and ogle them.   Feed them on what the animals get, for they are just animals themselves.   Let them sleep on straw that they will no doubt soil with their own waste.  Leave them without heat or light.  Let the public throw stale buns and rotting vegetables at them and laugh at their plight.   They'll soon learn!    WWW

[Merddin Emrys]

Great idea! 

[born2run]

On that logic. I suggest the Police go out and randomley shoot one in every 4 people. This will cut crime by 25%

No, because only a small minority of people are criminals. However, shooting 25% of criminals would probably result in a 25% reduction in crime..

There in lies your problem in a riot situation it is IMPOSSIBLE to tell who is a criminal and who isn't.. I would be a lot more fearful for my friends and family if the army were involved in this.