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Offline Big Alan

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2025 on: February 07, 2014, 07:41:24 pm »
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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2026 on: February 07, 2014, 09:36:09 pm »
(deleted) who ran it as well.

An uncalled for observation and not one I think this Forum should support.

Such an opinion should be kept to yourself.

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Offline Cat Stevens

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2027 on: February 07, 2014, 11:23:50 pm »
Some people have a very shallow view of situations.

The leaseholders have taken the decision to close their own business themselves.  And this is why.

Brewery Rent: £50,000 in a (declining industry).

Overpriced wholesale costs of about £40,000.00 (Marston’s Tied Pub)

Non Domestic Rates payable £25,000.00.

Entertainment Costs £17,500.00 (essential weekend trade)

Door security Costs £17,500.00 (Local Council Restrictions.

Not to mention Labour Costs, Utility Costs, Repairs, Licencing, and the general operating expenses.

The day of the brewery tied Lease is coming to an end, and for pubs to survive in these ever changing times the brewery’s need to change their model.

Purchasing beer be it bottles or draught from a brewery such as Marston’s generally costs the operator about .60p a pint more than a free trader (pub with no supply tie)This cost has to be passed on to the customer in order to maintain the Gross Profits which results in lost custom. In essence a case of Bud purchased on at tied agreement will cost about £36.00 compared to 19.00 in the local cash and carry at the same time a 22 Gallon barrel of Fosters will cost £294.00 from a brewery on a tied pub compared to £180.00 from a local supplier free of supply tie.

Brewery’s such as Marston’s can be compared to the inland revenue in respect that they are only concerned about their own monitory policy and care very little about the customer or the pub landlord. Who will struggle to make a profit and a living to support his family?
I know the landlords of the London well and I also know that although the pub seems to be busy and it quite often is. The brewery take the lions share leaving very little in return for the financial commitment and working hours the landlords and their staff give.
I also know that the landlord and landlady have closed this business and taken some pretty serious legal steps in order to protect themselves from a money grabbing brewery. As a friend I wish them the best of luck for the future.
Meanwhile it will just a matter of a few weeks before the brewery find another mug to invest their hard earned, and work long hours for very little in return.
My guess is they will offer a much reduced rent with much reduced wholesale prices enabling them to retail at around £2.50 a pint. And if this proves to be the case it will leave just one question. Why didn’t the brewery offer the current owners that deal.

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2028 on: February 07, 2014, 11:43:24 pm »
Simple,the whole buisness stinks.

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2029 on: February 08, 2014, 09:08:06 am »
How true Wrex-- our daughter has just gone through the same thing with a brewery that wouldn't/didn't maintain the property. That isn't bringing in the facts stated in the last post-- just isn't viable.
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« Reply #2030 on: February 08, 2014, 09:58:21 am »
   I can remember the time when the brewery and its tenants and managers were just like a big family. The brewery looked after its "houses" like children giving them advice, stopping them going off the straight and narrow, making sure they were doing O.K. financially. And this was EVERY brewery, large and small.
   What a difference today. Couldn't be a more complete turnaround.

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2031 on: February 08, 2014, 10:54:47 am »
The whole buisness is run by accountants,money,money,money,it has now come back to bite them and i hope they get their acts together before they are responsible for many job loses in pubs and brewerys.

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2032 on: February 08, 2014, 12:06:37 pm »
That's what being a Plc. means. You are answerable to your share holders first and as long as you continue to grow and keep the stock market happy then it's to hell with any altruistic intentions towards your employees, they just do not figure anywhere on the books except as an expense.
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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2033 on: February 08, 2014, 01:27:54 pm »
It seems crazy. A closed pub will not make the brewery any money.
How they see 'forcing' a pub to close by making everything so expensive, seems like financial suicide for the mother company.

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2034 on: February 08, 2014, 09:35:13 pm »
The pubco s are run like the mafia the more u make the more they want the only way  for pubs is for them to be free houses, at our rugby club we bought out our brewery loan and went to a free house the difference was huge we make good money over the bar we improved the facilities and have good good prices on the drinks, pubco s are not the way forward for local pubs.

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« Reply #2035 on: February 08, 2014, 09:40:15 pm »
Correct Murph,  it's modern day slavery.  A bit like the 'Learn to Drive' companies, BSM etc.
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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2036 on: February 15, 2014, 09:44:44 am »
Nice meal again in Characters last night, i cooked my steak to perfection.

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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2037 on: February 15, 2014, 03:38:35 pm »
Nice meal again in Characters last night, i cooked my steak to perfection.

You cooked it Wrex?  :D
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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2038 on: February 15, 2014, 03:55:16 pm »
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Re: Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs & Takeaways
« Reply #2039 on: February 15, 2014, 05:06:45 pm »
Nice meal again in Characters last night, i cooked my steak to perfection.

You cooked it Wrex?  :D

That's the drill in there ME,  it's the new thing (apparently)
There was such a 'cook your own meat on hot stones' at the hotel we went to recently,  loved it!
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