The 2011 Riots

[Hugo]

You say that but you hadn't expressed any concern for the victims of the riots until I pointed it out?

By helping those at the bottom we help everyone... if you remove the bottom bricks from a wall the whole thing comes tumbling down, that's what has happened gradually since the 80s.

Society has a moral obligation to protect the vulnerable in our country but this lot of scum are chucking the bricks back at the very people who provide the benefits for them.
Chucking bricks and petrol bombs at people could be classed as attempted murder as their aim is to injure or kill someone.  Plastic bullets have been mentioned in discussions but in other countries they use the real thing to stop looters,  at least they won't do it again then.

[TheMedz]

There is an e-petition "No taxpayer should have to contribute to those who have destroyed property, stolen from their community and shown a disregard for the country that provides for them" on the government's web site http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk. This is hoping to remove benefits from anyone convicted of being involved in the riots,looting or related antisocial behaviour.  If it gets 100,000 signatures it gets presented to parliament for a vote. Currently it has achieved 78,000 signatures. Not surprisingly the e-petition website is taking rather a lot of hits at the moment.

[Merddin Emrys]

Just tried looking at that, seems very busy, should be a very popular petition that!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429

[DaveR]

I hope it gets 1,000,000 signatures. The website is currently overloaded with everyone trying to sign it.

[DaveR]

The Facebook page is now up to 958,832 members:

"Supporting the Met Police against the London rioters"
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporting-the-Met-Police-against-the-London-rioters/152937041453243

Please consider joining it if you haven't already done so.

Good to see the decent people of this country supporting the police.

[born2run]

There is an e-petition "No taxpayer should have to contribute to those who have destroyed property, stolen from their community and shown a disregard for the country that provides for them" on the government's web site http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk. This is hoping to remove benefits from anyone convicted of being involved in the riots,looting or related antisocial behaviour.  If it gets 100,000 signatures it gets presented to parliament for a vote. Currently it has achieved 78,000 signatures. Not surprisingly the e-petition website is taking rather a lot of hits at the moment.

That's a great idea... let's find people who are clearly prepared to be violent and steal and take ALL of their money from them.. I'm sure if you do that their violence and stealing habits will decrease dramaticly 

[born2run]

The Facebook page is now up to 958,832 members:

"Supporting the Met Police against the London rioters"
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporting-the-Met-Police-against-the-London-rioters/152937041453243

Please consider joining it if you haven't already done so.

Good to see the decent people of this country supporting the police.

Yep clicking a button that says 'like' on a facebook page is absolute proof that you are a decent person 
This page will make a wealth of differece I'm quite sure  D)

[born2run]

You say that but you hadn't expressed any concern for the victims of the riots until I pointed it out?

By helping those at the bottom we help everyone... if you remove the bottom bricks from a wall the whole thing comes tumbling down, that's what has happened gradually since the 80s.

Society has a moral obligation to protect the vulnerable in our country but this lot of scum are chucking the bricks back at the very people who provide the benefits for them.
Chucking bricks and petrol bombs at people could be classed as attempted murder as their aim is to injure or kill someone.  Plastic bullets have been mentioned in discussions but in other countries they use the real thing to stop looters,  at least they won't do it again then.

Just to clarify, you think it's ok to shoot somebody dead for running out of a shop with a TV?
Because if that's the case, we can't possibly have a sensible discussion can we?

[Fester]

Clarification from Fester.
Yes.  An unequivocal YES, and unambiguous YES... shoot them dead..

Just enough of them to set an example to the rest... it will only be a couple of worthless ones, just enough to scare and deter the rest.

If they cannot respect authority, let them FEAR it.... it is better than having contempt for it.

[Merddin Emrys]

Just to clarify, you think it's ok to shoot somebody dead for running out of a shop with a TV?
Because if that's the case, we can't possibly have a sensible discussion can we?

seems very reasonable to me, society needs cleansing of these types, if you want to feel sorry for those types thats up to you, I never will.

I've just signed the petition, here's the link

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

[DaveR]

Six Cops Stop 40 Youths Ransacking Stores

A police officer has described how he and just five colleagues managed to stop a gang of around 40 youths looting a shopping park.

Pc Gordon Murphy, 30, and his fellow policeman had just two shields to protect them against a mob throwing missiles and trying to target the stores, in Catford, south-east London.

The officer, who lives in the area, said he and his colleagues charged at the hooded youngsters - despite them being so few in their number - as they tried to scare them off on Monday night.

He said: "We were able to create a small barrier at the end of the retail park", which is home to Currys, PC World, Harveys, Comet and a CarpetRight.

The father-of-one added: "As darkness fell, the young people started attacking - they were throwing bricks and bottles at us.
"There were two of us with small shields to protect other police officers and the property. Once they had thrown missiles at us they then rushed directly towards us, shouting and screaming."

"Their intention was to run at us mob-handed to frighten us to run away. Don't get me wrong, it did cross our minds, but I am a local police officer, I work in the Safer Neighbourhood Team.

"When you police the local area, you get to know people, you do get quite protective of your area and have a pride in it."
Pc Murphy went on: "We decided, as they ran at us, to rush back at them, with only six officers running back at 40. The mad thing is, they all ran back so we didn't even have to make contact with them. We just showed a show of strength, with our shields and our batons drawn, shouting as loud as we could: 'get back' and a few other war cries and the kids ran back across the road and continued throwing things at us."

Mr Murphy said he felt "proud" that he had managed to keep the buildings safe and added that he and a few others suffered minor injuries during the clash.

The small group protected the area on their own for about half an hour before backup could come and disperse the youths.
Team manager at Currys, Ridwan Haibe, said: "They did a fantastic job. We really appreciate the service that they have done for us."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/six-cops-stop-40-youths-ransacking-stores-014442765.html

[DaveR]

North Wales Police vans parked up in Regent Street, London (from Oscars blog):

[Yorkie]

I can see the scene in the not too distant future of our streets being patrolled by vigilantes and I do not fancy the chances of the thugs and scum then.   There will be no polite arrests just a severe beating that thuggy will remember for the rest of his life.   WWW

[crd]

I blame that dementia ridden old crone baroness Thatcher she created a society that was full of I’m all right jacks, her billionaire buddies imported immigrants to flood the labour market with monkeys who would work for peanuts she encouraged Rackmen style landlords who got rich quick by filling rundown properties, these people were no better than the greedy thugs looting for gain today,
Then we had premier Blair who fuelled the fire with his backhanded policies so what chance has society got when we have lying cheating scum running the country most of the MPs have looted the country with claims for TVs and the like so how can this PM stand their pretending he is whiter than white oh what good role models they are

[DaveR]

If we look at history, of course, we'll see that large scale disorder takes place on a semi regular basis in the UK, going back to time immemorial. If we look at just one, the Gordon Riots of 1780 resulted in 285 people being shot by soldiers in central London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots