great orme cemetery

[Hugo]

I was looking through some old Baptism records at the Archives today and came across one for the Roberts family.  Consec No  65 on Nov 7th 1816 had the Baptism of Richard son of Enoch and Elinor Roberts of Ty Newydd LLanwydden and Enoch's profession was a weaver laterly Miller.
I was surprised how well kept these records were compared to the early Gyffin ones I had seen recently and there may be other children of Enoch snr recorded there.  The records go back a very long way and may even have Enoch snr's Baptism records there.

[jane B]

Hi Hugo,
I agree the records are well kept. I have looked at them it is how I was able to find some ot the early Roberts. I probably missed a couple though! Have a lovely Christmas, hope you are well.

[Hugo]

Thanks Jane, I'm keeping well and hope that you are too.  I've been busy with other things and have not been able to go to the Archives much recently but you know your way around the records so I'll leave that bit with you and it's an excuse for you to visit Llandudno anyway.
I hope GR will be able to arrange something to tidy the Cemetery up and I'll willingly give a hand.  Then perhaps people can visit there easily and not have a battle getting through!
Hope that you and all the Roberts' have a good Christmas and New Year.

[GR]

A picture of all the direct Roberts descendants who gathered at Glanwydden back in February. 

[Hugo]

That's a great family photograph and a happy end to a lovely story.       

Iechyd da a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda bob un.         Z**   

[emma p]

thats a great pic, it was a fab night. We could do with a who's who - well i could anyway, lol x

[GR]

Back - Cheryl, Peggy, Rhiannon, Nia, Harry, Nerys, Carol, Emma, Sian, Geraint.
Middle - 3 Howells sisters, Elfed, Charlie, Libby, Jane, Mary.
Front - Naomi, Morgan, Steffan, Isabel, Rebecca, Molly.

[jom]

Looks like a great gathering!!

I wonder if I might prevail upon some kind soul to go to St. Tudno's for me for a root around.  My 2x great Grandparents John and Martha WILLIAMS and their daughter Mary Alice have a grave their.  A cousin went but couldn't find it.  I do have a map and reference number for the plot and have attached both the inscription and the plan of section A burial plot.  Theirs is purported to be A074.  I appreciate it is Winter etc so would hate anyone to die of exposure on my behalf.

If anyone does have success could I be cheeky and ask for a photo?  I DO think however that it may no longer exist!

Happy New Year to you all

Jo

[Hugo]

Hi Jom,   if no one has already done it then I'll have a look asap.  It does have a headstone so it should still be there and shouldn't be hard to find because it is close to that building.

[jom]

Thanks Hugo.  No rush of course, just when you or anyone next fancies a ramble or something.  I have noted that the stone may well be flat according to the legend 

[Hugo]

Jom, there are two parts to the St Tudno's Cemetery and it may be that your relative was looking in the wrong part.  From Google it looks like the Section A on the map is  located immediately south of the old Church as that section seems to fit in with your map. Until I get the chance to see it myself then I can't be absolutely certain.

[Nemesis]

It looks like the old part of the cemetery to me as well Hugo. I have written the details down and put them in my camera case. All I need to do now is remember to take the camera out with me !!

[Hugo]

It is the old Cemetery Nemesis and the grave is exactly where I thought it was.  It is next to a very large grave but the other graves listed in Jom's postings are not visible and are covered by grass.  This grave was one of only a few that were uncovered and I presume that in the past someone has gone to the trouble of uncovering this grave and they may well have been a relative.
Jom, this is the oldest part of the St Tudno's graveyard and this section is enclose all around by a wall.  I've taken a few snaps to give you an idea of its location within Section A.

If you look on Google for the Church the grave is south of the building (inland) and is level with the first window of the Church (west side)  and in the middle of that section

[jom]

Well that's just wonderful Hugo,  Thank you.  With the stone being flat, i really didn't think it would be legible even if it was still there.

I seem to recall in Christopher Draper's book, that the closer to the church, the more prominent you were within the community.  not where I would have expected john and martha to be IF that is the case.  He was a gardener and sometime publican at the Old Telegraph.  Shame there seems to be nothing other than census returns on him.

I'll redirect a relative or two to this site so they can see the pictures!

Thank you again and hope it wasn't too nippy

[Hugo]

I found something in Chris Drapers book pg 215 amusing relating to the Telegraph House on the summit of the Orme.
An act of Parliament in 1825 gave the Trustees of Liverpool Dock authorisation to establish modes of communication between Liverpool and the Isle of Anglesey and although some of the stations were relocated, the Great Orme post continued to operate on its summit site.
On the 12th December 1926 a lease was granted to the Liverpool Dock Board by Mostyn Estates.  It was only many years later that the Board members discovered that the land actually belonged to the Bishop of Bangor and NOT the Mostyns who for decades had illegitimately demanded and received an annual payment from them!
Nowadays they are doing something similar and calling it ground rent but this time have protection from an Act of Parliament that they instigated.