great orme cemetery

[Hugo]

Emma, just in case you are going there this weekend it may save you some time.

Dave or Ian would you please work your magic again and rotate this picture as I don't want Emma and Jane to get stiff necks!     

[emma p]

Thanks Hugo.........blimey !!!! 

[Hugo]

I went to Talgoed Garden Centre today and got the items I wanted. John was there and it's a pleasure shopping there as he always has a friendly smile and a joke when we go there and discount too!     
Anyway Talgoed is just across the field to Salem Baptist Chapel so I called there and saw the grave of William and Jane Roberts.
It's as I thought it would be and Plots 020 and 020a are both for William and Jane.  There is a small slate headstone and a monument with a tribute in Welsh to William. The wording in Welsh is faint but I copied it in the Archives anyway.

Now it looked like someone had tended it recently, so has Emma and Jane got another relative that they don't know about???

[Hugo]

The first photo is a plaque on the wall of Salem Chapel and the second is of one on Ty Capel, the adjoining Chapel House.

[emma p]

Hugo.....i would certainly say that was a very well tended grave and a very posh one too !
If i get chance to go i will maybe leave a note and see what happens.......boy theres alot to do and see during my two days !!!

Jane i got your letter today, thankyou.......your revised Enoch and Elinor tree makes much better sense to me now. 

[jane B]

Thanks for posting the grave pictures Hugo. These look easy to access anyway! Not long now Emma! Have a great time!

[Hugo]

Fforddlas Chapel Inscription translated  "built in  1786    extended in  1841"

Sorry about not getting all the plaque in on the Chapel House but the Inscription reads as follows " In this house in 1790 was born John Gibson RA  the famous marble carver who died in Rome on 27th January 1866"

[dwsi]

John Gibson (sculptor) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://bit.ly/v9IMW0

[DaveR]

Sorry, I think I locked this topic earlier by mistake when I was checking the Forum on my phone.  :rage:

[jane B]

No problem! Thought it must have been something I said! Thanks to Dwsi for the sculptor info. I am in Liverpool so will go to the Walker and see the Venus.

[Hugo]

The inscription on the monument is in Welsh and is:-

This monument was erected through friends in rememberance of the late respected William Roberts, Gospel Minister with the Baptist Church Fforddlas for 28 years.
He died 5th July 1865 aged 57
"He died to speak again"
Also for his wife Jane Roberts who died 30th  January 1850 aged 39

[jane B]

Thanks for that translation Hugo. What a lovely inscription! I can't wait to go and see it!

[jane B]

Does anyone know where Factory Cottages in Llansantffraid are today? I am going back to 1881 with the original address from the census.
Also Hugo I am trying to trace William Roberts grandson of the Baptist minister.He was born about 1866 and lived at Factory Cottages Llansantffraid until 1881 aged 15. He is not with his parents (Enoch and Sarah) in 1891. I found after much searching, an entry for William Roberts born Fforddlas 1891 living as Baptist minister to the Davies family in Feather Street Flint.
 In 1901 I found a William Roberts living at Pellws Cottage Llansantffraid with wife Mary Ellen Roberts and 2 children, 1 called Enoch so I am assuming he is one of mine! However he was no longer a minister but dealing with horses and was employed of his own account. Doesn't sound like a minister! I can't find any trace of them in 1911, they would have been in their 40's so wouldn't think they had died. I put 2 & 2 together from the cemetery list you sent Hugo because Mary Ellen, William and Enoch were all buried in grave D005. I don't suppose you took a note of any dates? I know a longshot!

[dwsi]

i'll put some maps up later, when i'm less busy. the post code for the location of factory cottages is ll28 5tf.

[jane B]

Thanks Dwsi.