great orme cemetery

[emma p]

Cheers dwsi for you fabulous finds. 
Ive just found a website called 'Carnarvon Traders'.......it has all sorts of really interesting info on there, concerning all sorts.
It has the 1891 cencus on there and 'Ala-bow' is mentioned on page 5 but there are Griffiths listed as living there.
There are burial record, images of various 'stuff'. Llandudno is mentioned in a paper cutting but my welsh is no good !!
Theres alot on there and im not really sure what im looking at but worth a look.

Definately seems like someone is looking for 'our Roberts' too ! So robert roberts was there in 1851.....aged 40. Interesting link with 'Griffiths' as i found them on this other website too ??

[dwsi]

you are not going to believe this but ala bowl means 'bowling alley". There's a pub/restaurant in Denbigh called Alafowlia


Alafowlia by Atgof (traed mawr), on Flickr


In Welsh but have a look at the end of the 1^st paragraph


Alafowlia by Atgof (traed mawr), on Flickr

[suepp]

actually, it's now an Italian called Con Amici (very nice too!) It was built a few years ago on the site of Alafowlia farm. There are several roads in Denbigh with Alafowlia in the name

thank you dwsi, for the advice on screenshots (hands up everyone who has practiced on their own house!)

[Hugo]

Suepp, you'll have to ask around to see the origin of the word Ala Bowl.    I have no idea but there are similar words that have a different meaning:-

Allor =  Altar
Powl =  Bowl or Basin

When these words are together the mutation comes in and  it changes to  Allor Bowl and I noticed a well in Dwsi's photo so perhaps it may be linked to that.  I've never heard it before so it's really is intriguing.

Thanks Dwsi for posting those details because I've often wondered how you did it but never liked to ask before.
Thanks Emma for the Carnarfon Traders, I'll follow that up as I believe that some of my relations lived there about 1861.

[emma p]

I followed up the 'rootschat' link and the person asking for help wrote this -

Robert Roberts from Waunfawr.
Lived in Ala Bow.
He married twice and died sometime after 1861
His first wife was Ann who died between 1841 + 1851.
In 1851 he was married to Margaret Roberts whose father (if ive read it right was Hugh Owen Griffiths). Theres the Griffiths connection.
Apparently Robert had lots of children ??
The Griffiths are down as living at Ala Bowl in 1891 in the census on 'Carnarvon Traders'. Think 'Elizabeth' was head of the household, ill have to double check.

Hugo, its a great site, well worth checking out.......although alot of jargon i didnt understand. 

[jane B]

Emma, What a great find! I looked on the census for 1861 and I found that Robert Roberts and Margaret Roberts were in the Poor House. I could not find anything after that but your find shows that he maybe died in there. Don't know about Margaret though.
There is nothing to see about children and how many they had. Will check out the Archives for those. Great to know the 1st wife's name. Could be more for the tree!
Just one more bit of info about Robert Roberts born 1867, the son of Edward and Margaret, Edward(born 1840) son of Elias (born 1819).
As well as daughter Maggie (born 1900), they had two more daughters,Anne born 1903 and Gwyneth born 1907. They all lived at Efail y Waen Glanwydden, there is a connection with the Williams family who was the blacksmith. I think Roberts wife, down as Mary E Roberts, was the daughter of the Williams family. On the 1901 census Robert is listed as son in law. One of the Williams boys was Robert B Williams born 1895. I saw there was a memorial inside the Ainon Welsh Baptist Chapel for the 1st world war. The names listed as soldiers were:
Goronwy Evans     Wiga
Thomas K Jones     Tan y Bryniau
Robert Roberts     Bryn Bach
Robert B Williams   Efail y Waen

Don't know if the Roberts was one of ours. I think I have found most of what I can using the Census. I will keep digging, you never know what turns up!

[Hugo]

There's a bit of a clue in the Welsh name of Robert B Willams' house Efail Y Waun.    It has been mutated but is:-
gefail =smith
Gwaun = meadow
So it means Smith of the meadow
 I don't know where it is or if its still there but it wasn't in the same street as the Windmill. It could have been in Waun Road which is the road leading to the cemetery.
Wiga is probably at the end of the lane where the Cemetery is because the lane is called Wiga too.

[dwsi]

Efail y Waun is on Lon yr Efail http://g.co/maps/a42nj
and Waun means moor in Welsh
BBC - Wales - Welsh dictionary - Search from Welsh to English http://bbc.in/vMnrtE

[dwsi]

WILLIAMS, JOHN (1806 - 1856), Baptist minister, writer, and author, son of Robert Williams, a native of Llanddoged, and Elizabeth Jones, Yr Efail, Glanwydden http://bit.ly/t0qFx6

Robert Williams, Jr (1868 - 1928) - Find A Grave Memorial http://bit.ly/tu8QJ6

[jane B]

Wow! Dwsi, how do you do it, in the blink of an eye, pictures and articles! Hugo, I rely on you for all Welsh translation. Thanks to everyone for helping to build up a picture of times gone by.

[Hugo]

Gwaun can mean Moor or Meadow but the area has always been agricultural land so I would have thought that it was taken in the context of its location.
Rhos on the other hand (as in Llandrillo yn Rhos) also means Moor, heath or plain   

[emma p]

Hi all,
Loving the 'Gwynneth' find !!! 
The rest of it has blown my brain though......mind you, ive been at a birthday party with thirty five 6 year olds so my heads a bit addled at the mo !
Ill have a re-read....think writing it down and seeing who's who and where might help.
 

[DaveR]

Some great research going on, very well done. 

[emma p]

Ive just discovered Ancestry has been giving free access to military records.......finishes today !!!!

[Hugo]

Robert Roberts' obituary from the Llandudno Advertiser.   If you do decide to go to the Glanwydden Cemetery while you are here Emma, here's another photo so you know what to expect.