Suggestions, problems and queries.

[Ian]

I just can't make them understand that WALES isn't in England !!

That's a technically interesting point. As Wales isn't actually a country, but in the gift of the sovereign to their male heir, it can be argued by hereditary monarchists that Wales is a part of England.

Having said that, 'twould make not on jot of difference to our colonial cousins, who need subtitles on the opening frames of films showing Big Ben and Parliament indicating "London, England".   They see the UK as the 51st state;  of that I'm sure.

[DaveR]

it can be argued by hereditary monarchists that Wales is a part of England.

But who would listen to a bunch of people who are happy to bow down before someone they regard as their superior just because of an accident of birth?

[Ian]

 

Nice...

[Fester]

SSHUSHHHH !!

Talk like this is heresy!

If they hear this, they'll be raising an army.... building a ring of castles.... subduing and suppressing everyone again!

Don't make them mad....

[DaveR]

They'll nooooooo take my freedom! 

[Ian]

Och...

[Trojan]

With the Act of Union in 1536 Henry VIII made Wales a part of England.

He did not see the need to reform the government of Wales at the beginning of his reign, but gradually he perceived a threat from some of the remaining marcher lords and therefore instructed his chief administrator, Thomas Cromwell, to seek a solution. His solution was the annexation or incorporation of Wales which, along with other significant changes at the same time, led to the creation of England as a modern sovereign state.

Th Acts of Union were done by passing a series of measures between 1536 and 154. These included:

An act for laws and justice to be ministered in Wales in like form as it is in this realm (27 Henry VIII c. 26) in 1536, and,
An act for certain ordinances in the king's dominion and principality of Wales (34 and 35 Henry VIII c. 26) in 1543.
The first of these acts was passed by the English parliament which had no representatives from Wales in it at all and its effect was to make Wales an integral part of the kingdom of England: Wales ... is and ever hath bene incorporated, annexed, united and subiecte to and under the imperialle Crown of the Realme as a verry membre ... of the same.

[DaveR]

With the Act of Union in 1536 Henry VIII made Wales a part of England.

He did not see the need to reform the government of Wales at the beginning of his reign, but gradually he perceived a threat from some of the remaining marcher lords and therefore instructed his chief administrator, Thomas Cromwell, to seek a solution. His solution was the annexation or incorporation of Wales which, along with other significant changes at the same time, led to the creation of England as a modern sovereign state.

Th Acts of Union were done by passing a series of measures between 1536 and 154. These included:

An act for laws and justice to be ministered in Wales in like form as it is in this realm (27 Henry VIII c. 26) in 1536, and,
An act for certain ordinances in the king's dominion and principality of Wales (34 and 35 Henry VIII c. 26) in 1543.
The first of these acts was passed by the English parliament which had no representatives from Wales in it at all and its effect was to make Wales an integral part of the kingdom of England: Wales ... is and ever hath bene incorporated, annexed, united and subiecte to and under the imperialle Crown of the Realme as a verry membre ... of the same.

But who gave him the authority to do that? No-one asked the people of Wales what they wanted....or Scotland....or Ireland. We fought two World Wars supposedly for 'freedom', yet three of the four component countries of the UK were subsumed into the Union at the point of a gun.

[Trojan]

With the Act of Union in 1536 Henry VIII made Wales a part of England.

He did not see the need to reform the government of Wales at the beginning of his reign, but gradually he perceived a threat from some of the remaining marcher lords and therefore instructed his chief administrator, Thomas Cromwell, to seek a solution. His solution was the annexation or incorporation of Wales which, along with other significant changes at the same time, led to the creation of England as a modern sovereign state.

Th Acts of Union were done by passing a series of measures between 1536 and 154. These included:

An act for laws and justice to be ministered in Wales in like form as it is in this realm (27 Henry VIII c. 26) in 1536, and,
An act for certain ordinances in the king's dominion and principality of Wales (34 and 35 Henry VIII c. 26) in 1543.
The first of these acts was passed by the English parliament which had no representatives from Wales in it at all and its effect was to make Wales an integral part of the kingdom of England: Wales ... is and ever hath bene incorporated, annexed, united and subiecte to and under the imperialle Crown of the Realme as a verry membre ... of the same.

But who gave him the authority to do that? No-one asked the people of Wales what they wanted....or Scotland....or Ireland. We fought two World Wars supposedly for 'freedom', yet three of the four component countries of the UK were subsumed into the Union at the point of a gun.

Yes, quite. Someone should have popped a musket ball in his ass.

[DaveR]

Perhaps we could send E-Thug back in time to have a word?

[Trojan]

Perhaps we could send E-Thug back in time to have a word?

I dunno 'bout that. 'Enery wasn't very computer literate.

[Pendragon]

16th September 1400

Owain Glyndwr proclaimed Prince of Wales


8th October 1400

Owain Glyndwr and other leading rebels are officially outlawed.  By the English. Glyndwrs estates are confiscated and granted to John Beaufort Earl of Somerset

Could this be anything to do with why resistance had diminished somewhat. 

[Pendragon]

The Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542 (Welsh: Y Deddfau Uno 1535 a 1542) were parliamentary measures by which the legal system of Wales was annexed to England and the norms of English administration introduced. The intention was to create a single state and a single legal jurisdiction; frequently referred to as England and Wales. The Acts were passed during the reign of King Henry VIII of England, who came from the Welsh Tudor dynasty.

They are frequently referred to as the Acts of Union of 1536 and 1543, but some scholars consider this name to be misleading. The Acts' formal names now, as recorded in the UK Statute Law Database, are "The Laws in Wales Act 1535" [1] and "The Laws in Wales Act 1542".[2]

[Trojan]

Hundreds of years of Welsh culture, customs and language were magically supposed to be absorbed...........

[Pendragon]

Hundreds of years of Welsh culture, customs and language were magically supposed to be absorbed...........

We only know what's been recorded, or not or destroyed.
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