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Offline Ian

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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2013, 06:40:41 pm »
Traditionally, local councils pay their employees more for the same job as done by an outside agency.  I don't know if that's true in CCBC but I imagine that cutting services would reduce staffing. 
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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2013, 08:01:31 pm »
   Hello NWPO,  Whats this about losses on the tram?   I'm a new boy in Llandudno, but this is the first I have heard of this.Mike


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« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2013, 08:34:13 pm »
Just a couple of musings.  Presumably we should look at public expenditure in the round.  We know we now have 60 politicians in the Bay doing what 3 did pre 1997 - and they want more!  But what about the £50 million they recently spent on buying Cardiff Airport from the private sector.  That would have fixed a lot of potholes. Anyone ever asked about salary levels in Welsh Government or why a third of the edifice in the Junction is empty.  Why do they need a guard on the gate there and a staffed reception ?


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« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2013, 12:10:29 pm »
   Hello NWPO,  Whats this about losses on the tram?   I'm a new boy in Llandudno, but this is the first I have heard of this.Mike

It's all in the accounts. Section 30.

"The Council owns and operates the Great Orme Tramway generating income from ticket sales.

The objective is to maximise the operating surplus to provide an ongoing maintenance programme.

The reserve for ongoing maintenance at 31 March 2013 amounted to £325k."

2012/13

Turnover - £773,000
Expenditure - £914,000
Deficit - £141,000
Deficit after adjustment (IAS19) - £138,000

2011/12

Turnover - £819,000
Expenditure - £896,000
Deficit - £77,000
Deficit after adjustment (IAS19) - £73,000

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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2013, 12:16:34 pm »
I've just checked.  The last time the Tram made a surplus (or profit as anyone else would call it) was 2009/10 in the sum of £37,000.

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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2013, 12:31:17 pm »
I've always thought that the Tramway needs a longer operating season, with some evening running in the summer, should bring more revenue in!
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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2013, 02:18:06 pm »
I see no reason why the Tramway needs to be owned by CCBC, to be honest. Freeing it from the dead hand of local authority ownership might well reinvigorate it - perhaps a Great Orme Tramway Society should be set up to take over and run it?

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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #82 on: October 17, 2013, 02:44:24 pm »
Ditto Venue Cymru & Theatr Colwyn.

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« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2013, 12:24:17 am »
I have managed departments or functions in the private sector where every year (it seemed), there was a need to find cost reductions of 15%, 20% or even more.   It's painful, but by and large it got done. It had to get done, or someone else would have been brought in to manage it.

Given that CCBC staff were doing exercises to see how they would manage cuts of 5%, 10%, 20 % etc... (each more painful than the last), then this years deficit of 3.6% should be relatively easy to implement.
Also, looking at the lists posted by BlongB and others, cutting back on waste, or being more careful who they dole money out to should attend to the matter.
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« Reply #84 on: October 18, 2013, 08:33:29 am »
I might have been dreaming but I'm sure someone was asking how much CCBC received for the sales of various properties around the area?

Site -0906AL08 Woodlands off Old Highway Mochdre 3,000.00
Establishment - AFC210A Glan Aber, Old Colwyn 92,000.00
Site AFB113 County Office, Castle Street, Conwy 221,000.00
Site -0512AL03 - The Surgery, Llanrwst 48,000.00
Site - 0309AL05 - Sewage Works, Cefn Brith, Cerrigydrudion 1.00
Site - AFD70053 - Tyddyn Fadog - Llanrwst 20,600.00
Site - 1008AL10 - Avallon Avenue, Llandudno Junction 5,510.00
Site - 1208AL01 - Conway Road (West), Mochdre 5,500.00
Site - AFB134 - Market Street Offices (NHS Building), Abergele 1.00
Establishment - 1110AL24 - Land Adjacent to 1 Glanrafon, Abergele 2,225.00
Site - SER214 - Plas y Dre Residential Home - Gloddaeth Street, Llandudno 800,700.00
Establishment - AFP412 - Coed Coch Road Public Convenience 4,000.00
Block - 0307SL01 - Car Park 19,350.00
Site - 1108AL07 - Land at Argoed Flats, Llanfairfechan 1.00
Block - SLD522B1 - Canolfan yr Orsedd 531,000.00
Site - H0001 - Land off Penlan, Maes Canol, Abergele 2,500.00
Site - AFD70025 - Pengarth - Conwy 25,000.00
Site - MOR30111 - Llysfaen Sports Complex - Dolwen Road, Llysfaen, Colwyn Bay 2,500.00
Block - MOR30111GF1 - Erw Llewelyn 10,001.00
Site - 0909AL04 - Penmaen Road Playing Fields - Conwy 15,250.00
Site - 1007SL01 - Ysgol Cadnant PRU 15,100.00
Site - EPN202 - Former Ysgol Rowen -
Site - SER212 - Plas Gogarth Residential Home - Church Walks, Llandudno 461,000.00
Site - 0809AL07 - Hillside, Fforydd y Llan, Llysfaen 3,000.00
TOTAL CAPITAL RECEIPTS (12/2012 TO 16/9/2013) 2,287,239.00

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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2013, 09:38:13 am »
That's eactly the sort of information we need.

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Given that CCBC staff were doing exercises to see how they would manage cuts of 5%, 10%, 20 % etc... (each more painful than the last), then this years deficit of 3.6% should be relatively easy to implement.Also, looking at the lists posted by BlongB and others, cutting back on waste, or being more careful who they dole money out to should attend to the matter.

The Swiss Cantons can call snap elections to defeat proposals they don't like or to remove from office those they feel aren't doing a good job.  That's what we need here.
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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #86 on: October 18, 2013, 10:47:27 am »
Anyone ever asked about salary levels in Welsh Government or why a third of the edifice in the Junction is empty.

It's no longer a third empty.  The Student Loans Company have moved in as "paying tenants" and filled the space that was previously empty.
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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2013, 03:22:39 pm »
What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,

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Re: CCBC: Cuts and cutting
« Reply #88 on: October 19, 2013, 02:06:51 pm »
What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,
No mention of it, oddly enough?

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« Reply #89 on: October 19, 2013, 07:44:27 pm »
What about the tennis courts on Abbey rd or was that in last years accounts,

Masonic cover up!   :laugh: :laugh:
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