But there was no value in returning, from an economic point of view, and that's all the US public cares about. This is a country, remember, where one of the first reactions to the slaughter of the primary school children yesterday was to suggest arming primary school teachers. But let's not forget there is definitive proof of the lunar landings in the shape of the laser reflector arrays. I actually witnessed a friend from Manchester Uni fire a laser at one of these arrays and get a return response. He was using the arrays to calibrate some instruments and it was truly impressive. In fact, it is the only real evidence that we did walk on the moon, apart from the hundreds of thousands of NASA employees, aerospace employees, observatory employees around the world, telescopic sightings, radio telescope tracking information, recordings, data dumps, photos from China and Russia and so much else that only a hermit with no knowledge of science and a case of seriously degenerative paranoia could possibly doubt the veracity of the Apollo program.