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Offline Merddin Emrys

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« Reply #510 on: October 14, 2014, 05:25:21 pm »
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the festering ejaculate on which they thrive.

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« Reply #511 on: October 14, 2014, 10:42:36 pm »
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the festering ejaculate on which they thrive.

Ooer!  :o  _))*

I feel shame-faced for some reason!!

Born to Run, no matter how many articles you find on Google, or how many statistics you copy and paste, it will never wipe away the truth about the degradation of British society.
I will say to you again, go and live in one of the MANY areas chronically affected by the social and immigration problems that exist... and find out what it's like in the REAL world!

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« Reply #512 on: October 14, 2014, 11:18:17 pm »
Some friends of ours just around the corner moved here from Nelson some years ago due to their home town being overrun with immigrants. They say their street was getting taken over and they were not made welcome in their home town!
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« Reply #513 on: October 15, 2014, 07:46:51 am »
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I will say to you again, go and live in one of the MANY areas chronically affected by the social and immigration problems that exist... and find out what it's like in the REAL world!

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Some friends of ours just around the corner moved here from Nelson some years ago due to their home town being overrun with immigrants. They say their street was getting taken over and they were not made welcome in their home town!

The problem is that the immigrant communities naturally tend to seek out fellow immigrants, much in the way the British seek out their own to form so-called 'ex-pat' colonies in Spain and France. 
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« Reply #514 on: October 15, 2014, 07:58:50 am »
Very true and understandable, not sure what the answer is though?
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« Reply #515 on: October 20, 2014, 02:35:29 pm »
Cameron to outline EU migration plans 'before Christmas'

David Cameron is to set out further plans to curb the rights of EU migrants to work in the UK before Christmas.
No 10 is said to be examining several options but no decision has been taken.
Speaking in London, outgoing European Commission head Jose Manuel Barroso said the EU would consider "legitimate concerns" but suggested an "arbitrary cap" on migrants would not be accepted.
Mr Cameron said UK voters, rather than European bureaucrats, were his "boss" and they wanted the issue "fixed".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29684585

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« Reply #516 on: October 20, 2014, 02:47:33 pm »
"BBC political editor Nick Robinson said it was not clear what the new measures would be or whether the prime minister would announce them before the Rochester and Strood by-election on 20 November, where the Tories are trying to prevent UKIP from snatching the seat."

Tories pandering to a bunch of elderly potential UKIP bigots and it's going to make them look even more silly than they already do

"Mr Barroso warned at the weekend that the PM's hopes of curbing EU immigration could be illegal."

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« Reply #517 on: October 20, 2014, 03:03:59 pm »
This is like Daily Mail roulette. We've gone from unemployment benefits to immigration in one swift spin.
Sorry B2R, do not want to go there, used only to make a point on the benefit issue.

Looks like we got here anyway..... :twoface:

Are we debating immigrants taking jobs or claiming benefits.......

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« Reply #518 on: October 20, 2014, 03:38:42 pm »
This is like Daily Mail roulette. We've gone from unemployment benefits to immigration in one swift spin.
Sorry B2R, do not want to go there, used only to make a point on the benefit issue.

Looks like we got here anyway..... :twoface:

Are we debating immigrants taking jobs or claiming benefits.......

I don't understand the 'taking jobs' argument. Years ago, yes. People had a point when some immigrants (and some who were not immigrants) were prepared to work for peanuts - and thus do a job that should be something like £6 an hour for say £3 an hour - some unscrupulous employers of course loved this and were happy to employ the cheaper option.

But now we have a minimum wage, so legally foreign workers can't undercut British workers. UNLESS of course these are illegal" workers, working without licence. Ironically if David Pleasethepublicatallcosts puts 'caps' on the number of migrants - what we WILL get is tons of illegal workers who will do exactly that, and work for well below the minimum wage (they will have to of course because they will not have access to benefits, so it's either work for pennies or turn to crime)

The year 2014 and we are still only a shuffle away from the grapes of wrath  &shake&

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« Reply #519 on: October 20, 2014, 03:47:34 pm »
..or a Stein away...
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« Reply #520 on: October 20, 2014, 03:56:16 pm »
Are we debating immigrants taking jobs or claiming benefits.......

I Googled "immigrants on benefits" to many to link, just some of the opinions put forward....

Those from the European Economic Area (EEA - the EU plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) had made a particularly positive contribution in the decade up to 2011, the authors noted, contributing 34% more in taxes than they received in benefits and services.
The story is slightly different for immigrants who came to the UK from outside the EEA in that period. They also put more into the public purse than they took out, but by a smaller margin of 2%.
This is significant because a good proportion of those people who have been in the UK for some time are likely to be older than the most recent immigrants, and so are more likely to be on benefits and using health services than those who have arrived since 2000 (who have an average age of just 26 years).
To make sense of the numbers, it helps to break them down a little - to divide the net contribution to the public purse by the number of people in each group under study.
When we do that, we see that between 1995-2011, on average each EEA immigrant put about £6,000 more into the public purse than they took out.
Non-EEA immigrants each took out about £21,000 more than they put in during that period.
non-EEA immigrants make up two thirds of the UK immigrant population. So both groups of immigrants - EEA and non-EEA - considered together, take out around £14,000 more than they put in, amounting to a deficit of around £95bn for the public purse between 1995-2011

That is, it's been spending more than it's got for some time now. And it's spending a large proportion of that money it doesn't have on, of course, its own people.
And we can see that clearly when we look at how much native Brits are each putting in and taking out of the public purse. On average, each native Briton took out roughly £11,000 more than they put in between 1995-2011.
So to conclude, on average only Europeans are putting in more to the UK public purse than they're taking out. At least that was the case between 1995 and 2011.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373

Number of foreign nationals on benefits soars to 400,000
The number of foreign nationals claiming benefits such as Jobseeker’s Allowance has jumped by 40 per cent in just four years to more than 400,000, new government figures have disclosed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10271855/Number-of-foreign-nationals-on-benefits-soars-to-400000.html
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« Reply #521 on: October 20, 2014, 04:16:41 pm »
Ruth Alexander's report is vague, incoherent and grammatically suspect in parts and has (I suspect) been heavily edited. The '95£bn' deficit stat is largely based on Commonwealth immigrant data going back 40 or 50 years, and includes pensions and healthcare.

Nut all that begs the bigger question of how any net gain / net loss can ever be even remotely calculated since no one really understands international macroeconomics. .

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"If you look at it in per capita terms, most studies don't find a particularly large impact and these studies depend on a whole range of assumptions and the impact will depend on how you look at things," Liebig says.

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experts agree it's hard to capture the true picture, without making a lot of assumptions.

There are many things you can measure, and you can measure them in many different ways, making many different assumptions.

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« Reply #522 on: October 20, 2014, 04:41:51 pm »
This sounds quite sensible, ?
The truth about 'benefit tourism'
Minus the spin, statistics show migrants place a less than proportionate burden on the welfare state and public services

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/20/truth-about-benefit-tourism

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« Reply #523 on: October 20, 2014, 06:58:59 pm »
Much more balanced and far more coherent. And some things he says are interesting:

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The BBC also needs to be more careful in its analysis.

Quite.
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« Reply #524 on: October 20, 2014, 07:13:19 pm »
Much more balanced and far more coherent. And some things he says are interesting:
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The BBC also needs to be more careful in its analysis.
Quite.

I did notice that dig at the end the end of the article.... :roll: