Like Born2run i think the quality of our pubs is crap and overpriced,i think the Albert,Kings Head,Queen Vic,Cottage Loaf,Lillys,Links,Fat Cat,Fountains are ok,only ok ,as for the rest i would never go near only on a pub crawl at a push.We can;t force anybody to spend money on their buisnesses,as we can;t force anybody to invest in a Betty;s style cafe,the town seems to be a grab the money and run place,no real investment in cafe;s or bars.Lots of these places are run by Rhyl folk and we have seen what happened there.Obviously by the time you pay rent,rates,wages i don;t suppose there is much left for decent pubs or cafes.