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Offline DaveR

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« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2014, 11:02:02 am »
Sounds like he should listen to his own advice! When he loses the election next year perhaps he will go to his beloved Israel?  WWW
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« Reply #77 on: September 08, 2014, 11:02:49 am »
Bebb is quoted as having said,"“I do have a close family history of mental health issues  . . . . . . .”

Oh yes!  Maybe he should be the one to think before he comments!    ZXZ

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« Reply #78 on: September 08, 2014, 11:38:40 am »
Sounds like he should listen to his own advice! When he loses the election next year perhaps he will go to his beloved Israel?  WWW

Who will he lose to?

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« Reply #79 on: September 08, 2014, 02:23:37 pm »
Sounds like he should listen to his own advice! When he loses the election next year perhaps he will go to his beloved Israel?  WWW

Who will he lose to?

Labour is the only real possibility. However given the amount of propaganda that has already started spewing and will continue to from the Tory PR machine - they haven't got a cat in hell's chance.

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« Reply #80 on: September 08, 2014, 04:03:35 pm »
Sounds like he should listen to his own advice! When he loses the election next year perhaps he will go to his beloved Israel?  WWW

Who will he lose to?

I would hope that the Conservatives will come up with a new candidate, the current one comes with too much bad baggage!
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« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2014, 04:21:00 pm »
I suppose we all have to expect much more of this **** between now and next May.

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« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2014, 07:01:34 am »
PUBLIC MEETING
Imperial Hotel, Llandudno.
Thursday, 18th September 2014
18:30 - 20:30

This week I shall be holding my first public meeting this autumn in the Imperial
Hotel, Llandudno.  The meeting is due to start at 18:30, with refreshments available
from 18:00 onwards.

These are an opportunity for you to question me on any subject - national,
international or local and have proved popular and interesting events.

If you are interested in attending or would like further details please telephone
01492 583094 or email office@gutobebbmp.co.uk.

I look forward to meeting with you and hearing your views.

Guto

PS.  If this meeting isn't convenient you may be interested in one of my other
public meetings:

Beach Cafe, Llanfairfechan  18:30-20:30, Thursday, 25th September 2014

Eagles Hotel, Llanrwst  18:30-20:30, Thursday, 9th October 2014
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Re: Guto Bebb MP
« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2014, 07:20:25 pm »
Tory ****
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« Reply #84 on: September 25, 2014, 08:49:11 am »
In my view, Bebb should do the decent thing and stand down before the next election.

Llandudno solicitor calls for Aberconwy MP Guto Bebb to be deselected by the Conservatives
Sep 24, 2014 19:16 By Jez Hemming

A solicitor wrongly named as author of a “poison pen” blog by Guto Bebb says Aberconwy Conservatives should consider deselecting the area’s MP.

Lawyer Dylan Moore spoke about the scandal after Mr Bebb backed away from his allegation that Mr Moore had helped newsagent Nigel Roberts pen the Thoughts of Oscar blog.

Mr Moore, a colleague of MP David Jones at his solicitors’ practice in Llandudno, was himself a victim of the blog in 2011, when he discussed it with his MP Mr Bebb and sent him evidence of the abuse he had suffered.

Mr Moore said: “The impression I get from his own comments was that he didn’t really care about the fact that this blog was affecting his constituents.

“But, when it affected him and it was aimed at him, then he decided ‘We must do something about this’.

“I’d raised it with him three years ago. He didn’t care about my problems then.

“When there was a letter on the blog regarding his links with Israel, he decides to let rip and he doesn’t seem to care whose reputation he tries to destroy.”

Mr Moore said the MP’s judgement must be called into question after accusing him so publicly, using Parliamentary privilege to escape legal redress, then doing an abrupt U-turn.

Mr Bebb admitted in Parliament he didn’t fully understand the evidence he had been presented with, obtained by a private investigator two years previously.

“I’d have thought that anybody making such serious allegations would want to understand the evidence,” said Mr Moore.

“The power we give MPs is huge and it is capable of abuse. They can say whatever they want and damn the consequences.

“He’s hiding behind Parliamentary privilege in the same way this anonymous author was hiding behind anonymity.

“It’s exactly the same, neither of them are prepared to basically be responsible for what they are saying.”

Mr Moore outlined he had feared for his security after Mr Bebb’s disclosure to Parliament on September 9 and his mother, partner and family members had also been extremely worried over the affair.

Mr Bebb said: “On meeting Mr Moore, I was convinced that this information presented to me by a private investigator was incorrect.

“I am fully acknowledging the information was not robust.

“Of course I will be correcting the record in the House of Commons.”

Mr Bebb maintained he retained the support of his constituency association.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-solicitor-calls-aberconwy-mp-7827943

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« Reply #85 on: September 26, 2014, 12:12:32 am »

Mr Bebb admitted in Parliament he didn’t fully understand the evidence he had been presented with,

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-solicitor-calls-aberconwy-mp-7827943


.... and he acted on it, for his own PERSONAL reasons.  Because it affected HIM,  never mind his constituents (and members of this very forum who have been adversely affected in the past)!
He has made a fool of himself, and embarrassed himself.

Politicians have the power to take us to war, and they admit they act without fully understanding the information at hand.  &shake&
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« Reply #86 on: September 26, 2014, 08:25:35 am »
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Politicians...admit they act without fully understanding the information at hand.

Politicians aren't the brightest bulbs in the box but a lot of the blame lies with the electorate. Through sheer inertia or laziness most people don't become involved in politics. I'm not talking local, but MP level, where those elected wield very real power.  That they're essentially corrupt, disingenuous, not overly bright, self-centred and grasping goes without saying, but enough of their good points.

There are excellent MPs, but they appear to be in a minority and the voting system in the UK (not that foisted on the Welsh or Scots) tends to prevent election by anyone not affiliated to one of the main parties. The answer is for more to become actively involved in the main parties, and that means joining one of the associations and having a say in how a candidate for Parliament is put forward.

It's worth remembering that UK governments are determined by only a few marginal seats. Most constituencies in the UK are 'safe' seats, where a locally selected candidate would only have to have the intellectual prowess of a drooling baboon to be elected. But unless and until more people become actively involved in the selection process - that's the one that matters - we'll continue to get the MPs we deserve.
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« Reply #87 on: September 26, 2014, 09:21:06 am »

Mr Bebb admitted in Parliament he didn’t fully understand the evidence he had been presented with,

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-solicitor-calls-aberconwy-mp-7827943


.... and he acted on it, for his own PERSONAL reasons.  Because it affected HIM,  never mind his constituents (and members of this very forum who have been adversely affected in the past)!
He has made a fool of himself, and embarrassed himself.

Politicians have the power to take us to war, and they admit they act without fully understanding the information at hand.  &shake&


One thing that intrigues me about this whole affair is that in the fallout of Mr Bebb's 'revelations' in Parliament a number of people claiming to have been wronged by Oscar took to social media sites (ironically hiding behind pseudonyms a la Oscar) and started a witch hunt.
Even though this was after the author had stepped forward and claimed full responsibility, they not only named the two innocent men (thus committing libel) but also made promises of more names to follow. It seems that in their rush to claim their pound of flesh, and no doubt monetary compensation, they failed to realise they were acting exactly like Oscar and were using similar tactics but arguably committing a bigger crime as their targets were of a higher profile and therefore would have more to lose by being libelled.
Whilst some of these people suddenly fell silent a week or so ago, possibly acting on the advice of their solicitors whilst preparing their cases against Oscar, it would be very interesting if they were now sued themselves by either of the wronged men thus negating any victory they may possibly have over Oscar.
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Re: Guto Bebb MP
« Reply #88 on: September 26, 2014, 10:15:27 am »

Mr Bebb admitted in Parliament he didn’t fully understand the evidence he had been presented with,

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/llandudno-solicitor-calls-aberconwy-mp-7827943


.... and he acted on it, for his own PERSONAL reasons.  Because it affected HIM,  never mind his constituents (and members of this very forum who have been adversely affected in the past)!
He has made a fool of himself, and embarrassed himself.

Politicians have the power to take us to war, and they admit they act without fully understanding the information at hand.  &shake&


One thing that intrigues me about this whole affair is that in the fallout of Mr Bebb's 'revelations' in Parliament a number of people claiming to have been wronged by Oscar took to social media sites (ironically hiding behind pseudonyms a la Oscar) and started a witch hunt.
Even though this was after the author had stepped forward and claimed full responsibility, they not only named the two innocent men (thus committing libel) but also made promises of more names to follow. It seems that in their rush to claim their pound of flesh, and no doubt monetary compensation, they failed to realise they were acting exactly like Oscar and were using similar tactics but arguably committing a bigger crime as their targets were of a higher profile and therefore would have more to lose by being libelled.
Whilst some of these people suddenly fell silent a week or so ago, possibly acting on the advice of their solicitors whilst preparing their cases against Oscar, it would be very interesting if they were now sued themselves by either of the wronged men thus negating any victory they may possibly have over Oscar.
A very astute analysis, SDQ. I wonder if the shadowy figures involved realise that the full spotlight of publicity will be shone upon them should they take any legal action themselves?

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Re: Guto Bebb MP
« Reply #89 on: September 26, 2014, 12:11:17 pm »
Whilst I somewhat agree with what has been said, do we not all shield behind a nom de plume on this very Forum?

Some of us may well be known by some others, but generally we do not have a clue about the majority of the registered Members!  Or will someone tell me I am incorrect?
 ZXZ
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