You seldom get accused people asking to do lie detector tests and I wonder why!
As a letter writer in the Times said today, it's a couple's choice to have children - why should the taxpayer have to contribute?
No one on benefits should receive more money than the average wage earner receives. That isn't fair to those people prepared to work and the system shouldn't encourage people not to work.
Dwindling resources will inevitably lead to a catastrophic war, it may be a war based on economic need (food or oil) ... or it may a war based on religious divisions.
I'm surprised too that no government has tapped into what is a valuable resource and asked or requested that anyone who is physically and mentally capable of work do so in order to pay for their benefits.
Perhaps it would be too difficult to administrate or contravene their human rights.
What is not fair is that anyone solely on benefits should receive more money than the average working wage. I was brought up to believe that if you want anything you have to work to get it.
Another concern of mine is that of Tax Credits, perhaps a good idea in principle but I believe the majority of payments for Tax Credits are made to non UK citizens. It is no wonder that so many potential illegal immigrants waiting to come to the UK with our benefit system as it is.
The criminal masterminds and gang leaders are already capable of forging documents, including passports and they'll do the same with ID cards.
I've got the latest form of debit card and that didn't stop the b******s from hacking into my bank account last week!
I would wager a pound against a pile of sh#t, that Don's problem originates IN Thailand!Hello Guys,I really cannot think that,as I have never splashed cash about, in any way here. Oddly, three withdrawals, were payments to Apple - though that has taken me some digging to discover, my Daughter, received a new D/D card for me (Lloyds have no direct dealings with me, here, as Julian is my Attorney/S.I.L
I have had numerous acquaintances where this phenomenon occured.
I would even confidently suggest that a family connection could be close to the source of this problem... just could be.
It bears close investigation.
what is annoying is that very few are ever caught or prosecuted.
But as long as we're signed up to the European Human Rights convention, what can we do?I think the Govt's done it, Ian, Housing Benefit is being capped at £20,000 per year. That still seems pretty generous to me.
One of the most significant burdens is benefit terms is the young single mother. They are required to be housed and maintained. This is often cited as one reason why teenage girls become pregnant, often without even knowing the identity of the father. What do we do about that?Make them live with their parents, instead of housing and maintaining them?
I'm not sure alcoholism is self inflicted, any more than claustrophobia or arachnophobia. All are examples of mental illnesses, albeit distinctly anti-social ones, although I suppose most mental illness is manifested through anti-social behaviours.
One of the most significant burdens is benefit terms is the young single mother. This is often cited as one reason why teenage girls become pregnant, often without even knowing the identity of the father. What do we do about that?Have we forgotten that for every child born illigitimatly there's two parents. It's often the case that the lads involved have used no contraception either and do not want anything to do with the girls once their conquests are complete. Below is a post I wrote on Oscars.
it is realised that the one with the egg has more to lose and should therefore be that liitle bit more responsible. >>>Times have changed Yorkie your right. However the one with the egg has no longer got the most to lose. With the introduction of CSA the ferrel men are now brought to account too. Condoms are available free the CSA will cost you a third of your wages affecting new relationships and finances for the next 18 years. I'm not trying to aportion blame as I believe both parties should be responsible for the outcome of any fling or mad night of unprotected passion (or in most cases Fumbling) Did you know the CSA only get involved if the mother is claiming benefits though.
If that's the case for alcoholism them I suppose you can classify drug addicts and obese people as having a form of mental illness,
I just find it inconceivable that anyone can think that it is their human right to be supported from cradle to the grave by the Country
We seem to be labeling single mothers here as the problem.
Something akin to the Yellowstone super volcano (which is due to erupt anytime now)
Parents need to instil the work ethic into their children
Thanks to the last Govt, we now have public spending at levels so high that we have to BORROW an extra four hundred million pounds.
There is not enough manufacturing industry to create wealth in this country.
Now, the recession is supposedly ''over'' .... but we are being warned that we are now entering a much worse phase !!
Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better - 2 years worth of misery at least.
These sorts of people are the very individuals who create chaos in Hospital A & E departments. You have to wonder if it would be wiser to refuse all but the most basic treatment to someone who's drunk and abusive.
These sorts of people are the very individuals who create chaos in Hospital A & E departments. You have to wonder if it would be wiser to refuse all but the most basic treatment to someone who's drunk and abusive.
They can be easily cured by a little piece of lead being administered into the left ear............... fired from a gun.
Hey!! Don't go quoting the Bible at me Born to Run!
I'll win that game everytime...
My favourite proverb is Austin 3:16 which says... ''I just whooped your ass!''
Better education and compassion is the answer, not putting children into care, sterilising people or any other half baked reactionary ideals.
Those people are impecunious, naive, angry and directionless. It is not our hatred they need but our help.
QuoteBetter education and compassion is the answer, not putting children into care, sterilising people or any other half baked reactionary ideals.
Those people are impecunious, naive, angry and directionless. It is not our hatred they need but our help.
While I agree with the sentiment, the arguments in favour of education and compassion have been made - eloquently - for many years, yet the sorts of attitudes which Hugo describes appear to be on the increase. And I'm not sure you can describe them as impecunious; in many ways, that's at the root of the problem, since impecuniosity per se was abolished many years ago, and we thus have an entire class of people who work the system for all it's worth.
Education, in short, doesn't seem to be the answer, so what do you think is?
On the other point, taking steps to remove the children from the baleful influence of their parents is fast becoming the only way to prevent the loop closing; if you leave children to be raised by those whose attitudes are dangerously antithetical to the generally accepted mores of a well structured society, then you only perpetuate and possibly aggravate what is already a deteriorating social situation.
[The way to stop people "milking" the benefit system is to make them feel valuable and worthwhile members of society, who therefore would not want to take money from the pockets of their fellow citizens and who will then strive to go out and work for the greater good.You have to understand these people have no interest in working for a living. They are not decent people 'down on their luck', they believe people who work for a living are mugs and they also believe are entitled to get everything for nothing. I've met many of them in my time and they are all the same.
The way to stop people "milking" the benefit system is to make them feel valuable and worthwhile members of society,but they're not, end of story.
What people seem to percieve as a major downfall of standards is often just this generation acting as they do and the older generations wrongly categorizing this behaviour as something to be frightened of and something that needs to be stopped.
people "milking" the benefit system (by) making them feel valuable and worthwhile members of society, who therefore would not want to take money from the pockets of their fellow citizens and who will then strive to go out and work for the greater good
These "do gooders" have got to be joking, those people are just scum. The scum do not and do not want to make any contribution to society, all they want to do is take,take,take.[The way to stop people "milking" the benefit system is to make them feel valuable and worthwhile members of society, who therefore would not want to take money from the pockets of their fellow citizens and who will then strive to go out and work for the greater good.You have to understand these people have no interest in working for a living. They are not decent people 'down on their luck', they believe people who work for a living are mugs and they also believe are entitled to get everything for nothing. I've met many of them in my time and they are all the same.
These "do gooders" have got to be joking, those people are just scum. The scum do not and do not want to make any contribution to society, all they want to do is take,take,take.[The way to stop people "milking" the benefit system is to make them feel valuable and worthwhile members of society, who therefore would not want to take money from the pockets of their fellow citizens and who will then strive to go out and work for the greater good.You have to understand these people have no interest in working for a living. They are not decent people 'down on their luck', they believe people who work for a living are mugs and they also believe are entitled to get everything for nothing. I've met many of them in my time and they are all the same.
Do these "do gooders" think that it would be wrong for the Government to make any of the able bodied people to work for their benefits in the way that the vast majority of decent people have to work for a living? There are many charities crying out for volunteers and there are other jobs that could be done such as litter collecting etc. so don't say that there is no work for the scum to do.
If you have ever seen what a mess the "community service" programme is, you'd know this is not possible.
You can't get non motivated people to work, in short of putting them in chains - I fear that's what some of you would actually like to see happen!! We talk of lowering of standards, but I've never seen such a lowered standard of attitudes towards basic human rights than some of the posts I've read on here. To be honest I would rather be a "do gooder" than a tyrant.
The problem with that Hugo is that it could put already employed litter collectors out of work, then there is the cost of setting up and running another quango plus supervisor wages
[If you have ever seen what a mess the "community service" programme is, you'd know this is not possible.
You can't get non motivated people to work, in short of putting them in chains - I fear that's what some of you would actually like to see happen!! We talk of lowering of standards, but I've never seen such a lowered standard of attitudes towards basic human rights than some of the posts I've read on here. To be honest I would rather be a "do gooder" than a tyrant.
I understand that the "community service" programme is in a mess but the majority of people in this country are hard working decent people. Do you think that any of these non motivated people who refuse to work should receive benefits that sometimes are well in excess of what anybody in employment receives for a hard weeks work?
Which is why you increase the minimum wage, have better working conditions for the low paid (I know some younger family members who have worked in big retail shops and I understand they get treated like rubbish, ussualy by power hungry but ill educated "managers") So that the honest people who work have a better lifestyle than those on benefits (in fact I believe they do already, but it should be even more of a positive gap)
Would it be fair to everyone if benefits were capped at a level equivelent to the average take home wage so that it would not be beneficially to those who refuse to work
QuoteWould it be fair to everyone if benefits were capped at a level equivelent to the average take home wage so that it would not be beneficially to those who refuse to work
I'm fairly sure this is one of the proposals being considered by the government, Hugo. I think the biggest problem is housing benefit, however. In places like London's West End, it's costing millions a year to house relatively few families.
I think the sad fact is probably that industry is so bad - that for a family with three kids to bring up - minimum wages just isn't enough and therefore not an optionI have to ask...why have three children then if you can't afford to bring them up properly?
I think the sad fact is probably that industry is so bad - that for a family with three kids to bring up - minimum wages just isn't enough and therefore not an optionI have to ask...why have three children then if you can't afford to bring them up properly?
Looks like we are back to sterilisation, there are some who have children just for the child allowance
Teenage pregnancy is at an all time low.
QuoteTeenage pregnancy is at an all time low.
My reading of the graph and the information is that teenage pregnancy has lessened by 4% but still is extremely high but has still been rising inexorably for the past 20 years
QuoteMy reading of the graph and the information is that teenage pregnancy has lessened by 4% but still is extremely high but has still been rising inexorably for the past 20 years
Are we looking at the same graph?
It's lower now than it was in 1990.
It's the over 40s line with the massive increase
QuoteIf you have ever seen what a mess the "community service" programme is, you'd know this is not possible.
You can't get non motivated people to work, in short of putting them in chains - I fear that's what some of you would actually like to see happen!! We talk of lowering of standards, but I've never seen such a lowered standard of attitudes towards basic human rights than some of the posts I've read on here. To be honest I would rather be a "do gooder" than a tyrant.
I understand that the "community service" programme is in a mess but the majority of people in this country are hard working decent people. Do you think that any of these non motivated people who refuse to work should receive benefits that sometimes are well in excess of what anybody in employment receives for a hard weeks work?
Spain has an unemployment rate of almost 20% - most other european countries are far higher than us8%! That's a work of fiction. There are 8 million people in this country of working age that do not work. It's the rest of us that pays for them.
Britain is under 8% The highest it's ever been was back in the 80s under another Tory government which saw us hit almost 12%
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Serial benefits dad fathers his 11th child – even though he's 'too sick' to work
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366073/Serial-dad-Keith-Macdonald-fathers-11th-child-16.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366073/Serial-dad-Keith-Macdonald-fathers-11th-child-16.html)
a pair of garden shears will stop this dosser
time to stop child allowance beyond say 2 offspring, that should stop it. If they can't provide for them they shouldn't have the kids and expect everyone else to pay for them.
but it's not just child Benefit, it's all the other add ons like free school meals, free nursery care, extra Housing Benefit & Council Tax Benefit, the more kids the more you get etc etc
Who's to say that one of this guy's eleven kids won't be an amazing and valuable member of society?
But I do have faith in people - and I think that no matter what background or how bad your parents are you can still achieve great things.
And it's worth remembering that the amount paid out in benefits is still dwarfed by the amount owed by those who avoid and evade tax....I don't think there's many people in the world who pay every penny of tax that they're supposed to. It should also be pointed out that avoiding tax is perfectly legal. Even after Cameron's cuts, the Benefits system is still way out of control:
Oh god I'm surrounded by fascists!
Afghan asylum seeker who lived in £1.2million house faces jail over £30,000 benefit fraud
£3,000 a week housing benefit :o
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366570/Afghan-asylum-seeker-lived-1-2million-house-faces-jail-30-000-benefit-fraud.html#ixzz1GiO5Wtch (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366570/Afghan-asylum-seeker-lived-1-2million-house-faces-jail-30-000-benefit-fraud.html#ixzz1GiO5Wtch)
I don't think they can be seen to back down on (Housing benefit cap) now, and most people support the measure, I suspect.
I've looked through the newspapers and cant see anything that indicates that?I don't think they can be seen to back down on (Housing benefit cap) now, and most people support the measure, I suspect.
They've backed down on it.
Oh god I'm surrounded by fascists!
QuoteThey've backed down on it.I've looked through the newspapers and cant see anything that indicates that?
That's not quite the same thing. The introduction of the cap on Housing Benefit is still going ahead.
Oh god I'm surrounded by fascists!
ahem.....
Are you banding me in with that claim? One of the few people on topic who has actually stuck up for the unemployed.
Are are you just grouping us all together like, a, erm.........facist would do? :laugh:
I would love a little job doing 10 to 12 hours a couple of days a week, but they just ain't out there. Unless, of course, someone knows different and can point me in the right direction. Or point someone needing help in my direction. I've done my bit for volunteering so am now seeking a pityful sum for my efforts to supplement my meagre pension(s). $thanx$, a 1000 x $thanx$
I would love a little job doing 10 to 12 hours a couple of days a week, but they just ain't out there. Unless, of course, someone knows different and can point me in the right direction. Or point someone needing help in my direction. I've done my bit for volunteering so am now seeking a pityful sum for my efforts to supplement my meagre pension(s). $thanx$, a 1000 x $thanx$
I heard that there's a part time job going in Simon Bakers. Quite well paid and no previous experience necessary just taking Hush Puppies for a walk! :)
is there no more damming indictment of the failure of the Welfare State and Government over several decades?
There's only one answer!!! Put up the minimum wage $good$But would you be happy to see all the prices rise so that the extra wage expense could be paid for?
£8 an hour at least is fair.
There's only one answer!!! Put up the minimum wage $good$
£8 an hour at least is fair.
The area was supposed to have been regenerated three years ago but the WAG withdrew citing "lack of local support".That was just one of the many WAG schemes running in Rhyl; Communities First has not been one of their most successful schemes, although the one on Maesgeirchen, Bangor, has done a good job.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_east/7545941.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_east/7545941.stm)
In effect, Rhyl, has been used as a dumping ground for the unwanted of north west England. In turn, their poor behaviour has pushed the 'decent' people out of the area, creating a ghetto with all the problems mentioned in the original press report.
That's one thing about Maes G there is a real sense of community spirit there. Everybody knows and looks out for each other. As I said on an earlier post Maes G is virtually crime free for this reason. I have been going to Maes G since the 80s and so have seen the difference and what the Communities First grants etc have achieved.
That's one thing about Maes G there is a real sense of community spirit there. Everybody knows and looks out for each other. As I said on an earlier post Maes G is virtually crime free for this reason. I have been going to Maes G since the 80s and so have seen the difference and what the Communities First grants etc have achieved.
That's one thing about Maes G there is a real sense of community spirit there. Everybody knows and looks out for each other. As I said on an earlier post Maes G is virtually crime free for this reason. I have been going to Maes G since the 80s and so have seen the difference and what the Communities First grants etc have achieved.
I have found that the vast majority of Welsh people are community spirited, and very kind people in general.
But, the proportion of English people who are of that type (particularly in the North and North West of England) is not as high.
Its about upbringing I believe.
This might sound contraversial to some, but it is MY experience.
There's only one answer!!! Put up the minimum wage $good$But would you be happy to see all the prices rise so that the extra wage expense could be paid for?
£8 an hour at least is fair.
As for the people in Rhyl, maybe they should not be given the choice of staying home on benefits? The rest of us manage to find a job, after all. ;)
The rest of us are healthy individuals who can read/write and don't have mental health or addiction problems.
People love to go shopping but they do not seem to mind where the product was made.That's it in a nutshell. People expect to be able to buy everything cheaply (anything else is regarded as a 'ripoff' apparently), yet bemoan the death of British manufacturing. They can't have it both!
I could not believe some of the comments while Reading this blog!!
It suggest to me that people would be happy to see anybody they think that are a drain on the system be removed, maybe pensioners living longer should be sent to the gas chambers, anybody claiming benefits could be sent to the salt mines, we could have Euthanasia programs for people with mental health problems, children with any deformity or learning disability could join the pensioners on the train to the gas chambers.
All the English be given £40 and shipped out of Wales, any gypsies or immigrants sent to a penal colony on the island of Anglesey.
This would solve our monetary shortfall in one fell swoop, thus paving the way for us to remove most of the swindling politicians, local council officials that are robbing the system blind.
Welcome to the Forum CND, or whatever your name is....
I will leave Wales for £40, a flask of soup, a BIG pack of sandwiches, and a life-long free ticket to all Disney theme-parks.
Yes, you'd have to offer more than £40, I think....
Sorry to disappoint but I was born in St. Asaph 42 years ago and have lived here all my life. If you'd taken the time to read some of the posts on this Forum instead of just running your mouth, you would have learnt that i am one of the biggest defenders of Welsh Culture and the Language on here.Yes, you'd have to offer more than £40, I think....
So you are one of the English who has decided to Grace our county with his self importance,
Enjoying the beauty and tranquility but not really fitting in but more suited to apartheid in South Africa
i am one of the biggest defenders of Welsh Culture and the Language on here.
...........and I'll be another one. :D
£40.OO seems a bit cheap really when the UK Government gives £500.00 plus to illegal immigrants who want to return to their home country.
Apparently it is within their human rights and in accordance with the present system etc etc to claim it again if they return again illegally to the UK! :o
If this is true, then surely the rise of Nationalistic and Right Wing movements is imminent? After all, there are many historical precedents for this...
After reading Fester's post, i was wondering if it would not be better for each unemployed youth to be assigned to a small business within Spain and they would 'earn' their benefit by working within that business, whilst at the same time learning some new skills, making new friends and providing the business owner with some free assistance.
Must keep an eye out for that.
Just finished reading an article in the Daily Mirror about a 20 year old girl on benefits who smoked 3500 cigarettes during her pregnancy and insists that it did the baby good!
She also said " I love having something to do roll a fag,smoke the fag, watch TV"
Surprise,surprise, but WORK wasn't mentioned at all. It's one four letter word that they never repeat, perhaps it's too offensive to them.
Yes, Born2Run, it's a hard life, isn't it? Same for all of us though. Maybe we'll go and volunteer for 10 hours a week in a museum instead of working for a living. The downside, unfortunately, is that there would be no-one to pay all the benefits. :laugh:
The minimum wage caused many jobs to go abroad
As evidenced by the local economy.You must go in some odd pubs and bars, because the ones I go in are all busy...
Ten years ago I would have stepped out on a Thursday, Friday or Sunday night in Llandudno to packed streets and pubs. Nowadays they are empty
I've not had any so its a slightly higher amount for the other 54,999 ;D
I bet Your new dove friend does not agree with you. I can hear her/him now now, "down with Jeremy" :laugh:
Agreed, they usually have a few drinks at home before heading out around 10pm or so. Maybe Born2Run is tucked up in bed by then? ;D
Are we? A bit of a generalisation! I actually drink very little alcohol Z**
Welcome to the forum by the way!
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he/she has called Jimmy Saville a lot worse!
Surprised that it has lasted so long, knowing how efficient he usually is !
Surprised that it has lasted so long, knowing how efficient he usually is !
So you want me banned from the forum this tells me that freedom of speech is a no go unless it suits you lot?
My reference to jimmy savile was in the public domain as it was reported in the news, the other reason could be you are a member of a certain ring?
I think a whole series of things have to conspire against you to get that.... (e.g. 4 kidsHaving 4 kids is a choice, surely? Their choice to have 4 kids, so their responsibility to pay for them.
..or maybe the parents have never worked in their life?
Fester is always keen on bashing the Bishops, so I'm surprised he's not more in favour of this proposed cap... :laugh:
Having 4 kids is a choice, surely? Their choice to have 4 kids, so their responsibility to pay for them.
Getting very worried daver is sounding more like Jeremy Kyle every day he will be telling us to put something on the end of it next
seems like a right wing dictatorship would suit you down to the groundIf we put aside left and right wing for a moment, it's a fact that the National Debt is increasing by £446m EVERY DAY to fund Public Spending. How would you deal with it?
If we put aside left and right wing for a moment, it's a fact that the National Debt is increasing by £446m EVERY DAY to fund Public Spending. How would you deal with it?
If we put aside left and right wing for a moment, it's a fact that the National Debt is increasing by £446m EVERY DAY to fund Public Spending. How would you deal with it?
Yes, the National Debt is obviously a myth, although that right wing bastion, the Guardian, says the National Debt figure has increased by £59,000,000,000 so far this year.
If we put aside left and right wing for a moment, it's a fact that the National Debt is increasing by £446m EVERY DAY to fund Public Spending. How would you deal with it?
I'd be careful who you quote, that debt clock thing is brought to you by the Taxpayers' Alliance and the Taxpayers' Alliance "was founded in 2004 by "a group of "libertarian" Conservatives".
The "national debt problem" is hardly above left and right, it's the latest right wing justification for attacking the state.
Yes, the National Debt is obviously a myth, although that right wing bastion, the Guardian, says the National Debt figure has increased by £59,000,000,000 so far this year.
With the UK mired in recession, benefit payments rose while key sources of income – such as corporation tax – fell. The public finances data show corporation tax since April was 10% lower than the same period last year. Overall tax receipts for the tax year to date inched up 0.4%, just a fraction of the 3.9% rise the Office for Budget Responsibility is forecasting for the year. The figures leave the Treasury's calculations in tatters and could force Osborne into an embarrassing climbdown at his autumn statement in December.
In the case of Starbucks (and other companies accused of tax avoidance)... surely, if a more lenient tax regime exists legally, to ensure that more cash stays in the business, then they would be derelict in their duty to shareholders not to pursue it.
If they paid more tax, then would their products not become more expensive, and wouldn't they be less likely to employ people?
As individuals and businesses, we are being taxed out of existence in this country, and it needs to stop.
In the final analysis, however, I reiterate what I said in my posting (338 - above) that at this stage it's down to the government to start the ball rolling by kick-staring the manual services aspect of the economy.
This is a very sad story...and it once again begs the question..what is the point of spending hundreds of billions of pounds on welfare when the very basic essentials are not being met?
Conwy Foodshare delivering record number of food parcels
Oct 25 2012 by Mari Jones, North Wales Weekly News
THERE has been an alarming surge in demand for food parcels for those in need in Conwy county.
Conwy Food Share was formed last January to feed local people in crisis.
Those who have received food parcels have no financial safety net, or are going through a sudden crisis such as bereavement, benefit delay, redundancy or illness, leaving them unable to feed themselves or their family.
Total parcels delivered by Conwy Food Share between last February and September of last year was 207. The same period for this year was 276. Total family parcels delivered in 2011 were 46, in 2012 it has already reached 108. Last month was a record month for the charity as 46 parcels were delivered, including 21 for families, which feed a total of 50 children.
Each parcel contains enough food for three days, if needed they also contain toiletries such as toilet paper, nappies and shower gel. The parcels contain tins of food, pastas and UHT milk.
The chairman of Conwy Food Share, Cherie Bailey commented: “We had to give one family eight food parcels because they had six children, and their situation was dire.
“We usually can only deliver up to three parcels, but in this case we knew we had to give more.
“We know of another woman, who had five children who had fled here to a safe house from a violent relationship, and after she had bought five new school uniforms for the children she didn’t have any money at all for food.
“There are many people going hungry on our doorsteps.
“When we deliver the parcels, the children get very excited because sometimes they’ve had virtually empty cupboards for two weeks and have had no hot meals, apart from at school.
“If we are giving parcels out to families then we always try and include a few treats as otherwise they wouldn’t get any
“I worry about the future because food and fuel prices are going up all the time, and a lot of people we deliver to can’t budget very well and are in terrible debt, and are robbing Peter to pay Paul.”
The charity has nine volunteers working for them, including a 90-year-old man. At present they don’t need any more, but do need tins of food, including baby food and toiletries. Apart from churches you can also drop off any donations at Cartrefi Conwy.
“People who need parcels go through a vetting process, we only give to those genuinely in need,” said Cherie.
“We have very small overheads, so any donations given do go straight to vulnerable people in Conwy.”
I hear more and more stories about how absolutely inefficient, some of those who work for this government are.
Why are uniforms not given out for free or at least subsidized. Children can't attend school without a uniform, to charge high prices for these is tantamount to blackmail on the most vulnerable.
We know of another woman, who had five children who had fled here to a safe house from a violent relationship, and after she had bought five new school uniforms for the children she didn’t have any money at all for food.
Although it appears new, that plan has been rattling around Whitehall since at least the mid-term of Blair's administration. Like the coalition's schemes, however, it's beset by multiple issues of implementation. The only to make it work completely would be to return to the German approach of the early '30s.
I suspect that might have something to do with the way the government's five-year rolling education policy determined - in the '80s - that we had to have a predominantly degree-led work force, as it was thought everyone would need a degree by 2000. Sadly, it appears, it's only belatedly being acknowledged that not everyone is suited to academia, and the country needs a work force to do things like building.
What you have highlighted is the injustice in the benefits system that allows foreign nationals to live a life of luxury here that they would not experience in their own country but at the same time it deprives UK born citizens of a fair and just system.
Rules allow anyone who is eligible for housing benefit to claim for a private property in any part of the country they wish.
How about we scrap most politicans and just have a system of online voting, whereby all taxpayers have the ability to put forward a new law/spending proposal etc and it is then voted upon by other taxpayers. Every month, the proposal or spending plan that receives the most votes gets acted upon. Democracy in its purest form?
Hugo: I don't; disagree with that you're saying. All I'm adding is that it's down to current legislation. And how do you change that?
In that case, why could he not work to earn their benefits? He could work a 40 hour week doing something useful for the community whilst he is unemployed.
In that case, why could he not work to earn their benefits? He could work a 40 hour week doing something useful for the community whilst he is unemployed. It's the idea that they receive all this money for doing nothing that I think really infuriates working people.
I would never dream you were any of those things Blongb, you are, however, wrong
To give you some idea where we are internationally, here is a list of all the countries with a population density greater than ours.
(These numbers are people per square KM)
I find the fact that 4 out of 5 people in this country think we are "too crowded" much more worrying. Clearly a lot of people are effectively brainwashed by the tacky, angry, tabloids venting their hate in order to sell units based on paranoia and fear. It's nothing new, but it's perhaps worse now than it's ever been.
This is my source - it is from 2008, so doesn't take into account the most recent census but is an interesting perspective all the same
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/09/map_of_the_week_crowded_britai.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/09/map_of_the_week_crowded_britai.html)
2, I find it very odd how the economic picture starts to 'miraculously' improve, just as the Govt start thinking about needing to be re-elected. I don't buy it I'm afraid.
"The estimated cost based on a STOVL [only] design was around £2 billion ... The estimated procurement cost of the future aircraft carriers using the innovative, adaptable design is around £3 billion.
The "innovative, adaptable" ships are now projected by the National Audit Office to cost £5.35 billion, so it's plain that around a third of that, some £1.8bn, comes from them being "adaptable" rather than STOVL-only. Except that it turns out they aren't adaptable at all - fitting them with catapults and arrester gear would, apparently, cost as much as buying two entire new ships.
I imagine that we'll be grateful we have them, nonetheless, should hostilities break out.
QuoteI imagine that we'll be grateful we have them, nonetheless, should hostilities break out.
Have you read the entire article? It seems we might not have serviceable aircraft on them at all...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-28939627 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-28939627)
Exploitation or simply showing the world what's happening?
By not revealing the name and nature of the show
By filming people so riddled with illness/addiction they are incapable of making a reasoned choice
Bribing said people with alcohol and gifts in exchange for them doing/saying more outrageous antics
Few more but you get my point I'm sure.
I agree. I think the point is that exploitative TV is fairly indiscriminate, just so long as the ratings are good.
I agree. I think the point is that exploitative TV is fairly indiscriminate, just so long as the ratings are good.
Exploitative TV appears moronic, and only condones and encourages future generations to act the same or worse.
$angry$ $angry$
Good point - take big brother as 1 example - the first one was raw but the ones after the fellow 'contestants' all took their cues from the earlier on and so it went until it became a total carnivalAgreed.
Sorry, I have just reread my post. I should have said SteveH --- not SteveR.No problem Mike,....knew who you meant, ....sorry about the mix up, I get my info from the newspapers on line, and it was from memory that I advised you about the change, I remember seeing the 40mph and later the alteration to 30mph...so assumed it was a misprint on line so to speak.
So I spotted my error. That;s what the papers proof readers should do, if they employ any
Residents left to maintain 'wild' Old Colwyn graveyard themselves
A spokesperson for the church said a groundskeeper was employed by the interest on church savings, but that money dried up after the economic crash, and the Parish of Colwyn “cannot afford ongoing maintenance costs”.
“We don’t have to do it, we just do it, and we do it out of respect.”
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx)
This story made me think.....How many are claiming benefits year in year out, or on community service who could/should be helping out in situations like this.
How many cut backs on services have we had, how many are coming, I am not suggesting we take someones job, but they could be helping the gardeners or extra street cleaning etc. gaining a work ethic, (I am trying to keep a straight face at the moment) this is an underused human resource.
Residents left to maintain 'wild' Old Colwyn graveyard themselves
A spokesperson for the church said a groundskeeper was employed by the interest on church savings, but that money dried up after the economic crash, and the Parish of Colwyn “cannot afford ongoing maintenance costs”.
“We don’t have to do it, we just do it, and we do it out of respect.”
http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx (http://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/139213/residents-left-to-maintain-wild-old-colwyn-graveyard-themselves.aspx)
This story made me think.....How many are claiming benefits year in year out, or on community service who could/should be helping out in situations like this.
How many cut backs on services have we had, how many are coming, I am not suggesting we take someones job, but they could be helping the gardeners or extra street cleaning etc. gaining a work ethic, (I am trying to keep a straight face at the moment) this is an underused human resource.
Have you ever considered that some people may be claiming benefits for a legitimate reason? Or are you assuming they are all frauds and are capable of maintaining a grave yard?
Have you ever considered that some people may be claiming benefits for a legitimate reason? Or are you assuming they are all frauds and are capable of maintaining a grave yard?Hi B2R .... I try my best never to assume...... there is legitimate manpower not being used, and I did mention work "ethic" it is very easy to get out of the habit of working......The "frauds" or long term (fit) unemployed, this is difficult to explain, my own feelings, probable sound old fashioned, but there is always work out there, and I am using my own experiences in saying that.
Hugo said:
David Cameron is already suggesting using the young unemployed to do such work but I'm sorry that will never materialise as Conservatives will be kicked out of office hopefully next year.
And if he is kicked out we will get yet another Government, with promises and polices galore, promises that will not be met and policues that will do nothing to get us out of the s****y state we are in.
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That's Politics for you Yorkie and it's not going to change. They are all the same, they criticise one another but do not say anything constructive about what they are going to do. Cameron has done so many U turns that it's a wonder he's not dizzy.
Hi Ian, As I read your first post, I am afraid the first thing I thought of was, if were not careful we will end up with another "Hitler situation" .....and then I got to your second post...to late.
The "growing divide" there is nothing there to disagree with, however it does bring up how we got to this state, my first thoughts are, we have let down the younger generations with a poorer education, lack of training,and less job prospects, and a welfare state that encourages laziness and disrespect and "no worthwhile future" .
The number of youngsters today who do not have the basic tools or willpower to find the elusive jobs is a disgrace, and I do not see any change for the better, so which ever party is in power they better get a move on.
This discussion started over a group of older people who are trying maintain a graveyard stating “We don’t have to do it, we just do it, and we do it out of respect.” I think that says a lot, get people moving, doing something worthwhile, and not being paid to sit on their backsides.
The "growing divide" there is nothing there to disagree with, however it does bring up how we got to this state, my first thoughts are, we have let down the younger generations with a poorer education, lack of training,and less job prospects, and a welfare state that encourages laziness and disrespect and "no worthwhile future" .I agree.
The number of youngsters today who do not have the basic tools or willpower to find the elusive jobs is a disgrace, and I do not see any change for the better, so which ever party is in power they better get a move on.
...to a country and government that does nothing for them....apart from pay their Benefits? They appear to be quite happy to let the 'community they don't belong to' pay all their bills? :P
Hi B2R... "Volunteering" maybe it is time to make volunteering compulsory . &shake&
Hi B2R... "Volunteering" maybe it is time to make volunteering compulsory . &shake&
They did that... It was called slavery &shake&
Yes Fester since Child abuse has stopped in schools the world is surely a much worse place :o
"However, most corporal punishment served as guidance, discipline, or a means of prevention."
" I also believe it is a inherent lack of RESPECT that has accelerated it. I firmly believe that the turning point was when corporal punishment was abolished in schools."
I do not believe that discipline can be improved by the use of corporal punishment. Punishment creates resentment and resentment will create a lack of respect. Just a vicious circle is the result.
Most children can be trained, if that is the right word, by example, understanding, explanation and kindness.
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I do not believe that discipline can be improved by the use of corporal punishment. Punishment creates resentment and resentment will create a lack of respect. Just a vicious circle is the result.
Most children can be trained, if that is the right word, by example, understanding, explanation and kindness.
If we do not educate and prepare, this is what you get.
Not if you are saying this is ONLY happening in today's society and didn't happen before.I wish they would show it.....if what is on television and watched these days is anything to go by, we are ........
People have not got stupider as the years have gone on, if anything they have got more intelligent
Not if you are saying this is ONLY happening in today's society and didn't happen before.
People have not got stupider as the years have gone on, if anything they have got more intelligent
Not if you are saying this is ONLY happening in today's society and didn't happen before.
People have not got stupider as the years have gone on, if anything they have got more intelligent
" I also believe it is a inherent lack of RESPECT that has accelerated it. I firmly believe that the turning point was when corporal punishment was abolished in schools."As someone who was born right at the end of the 2nd World War and also was brought up with my brother in a single parent family with plenty of discipline, I think that one of the major contributory factors to the current "inherent lack of respect" was the abolition of National Service in 1960.
I have said for years that the wrong people are breeding, not to improve the race but to get benefits!
More fundamentally, I look at the divide and degradation of society and I also believe it is a inherent lack of RESPECT that has accelerated it. I firmly believe that the turning point was when corporal punishment was abolished in schools... and the respect/fear equation was thrown into chaos.
I'm never quite sure how serious F is being when he says things such asQuoteMore fundamentally, I look at the divide and degradation of society and I also believe it is a inherent lack of RESPECT that has accelerated it. I firmly believe that the turning point was when corporal punishment was abolished in schools... and the respect/fear equation was thrown into chaos.
if only because, as several have noted, this sentiment has been expressed since Socrates was around, so the only conclusion it's possible to draw with any certainty is that as we age we become less tolerant of the very things we all used to do as youngsters.
we have an element of work shy people who don't want to work but at the same time expect to be paid for doing nothing
The "growing divide" there is nothing there to disagree with, however it does bring up how we got to this state, my first thoughts are, we have let down the younger generations with a poorer education, lack of training,and less job prospects, and a welfare state that encourages laziness and disrespect and "no worthwhile future" .
The number of youngsters today who do not have the basic tools or willpower to find the elusive jobs is a disgrace, and I do not see any change for the better, so which ever party is in power they better get a move on.
One lad on benefits for 6 years, who said he wanted to work, would do anything, was sent for a barmans job at the holiday camp, he did not have a clue, nobody had prepared him for the interview, a small thing but, he turned up, looking like a tramp, and could not answer the most basic interview questions, he did however get the job? but without any workplace experience lasted two weeks.!
I'm never quite sure how serious F is being when he says things such asQuoteMore fundamentally, I look at the divide and degradation of society and I also believe it is a inherent lack of RESPECT that has accelerated it. I firmly believe that the turning point was when corporal punishment was abolished in schools... and the respect/fear equation was thrown into chaos.
if only because, as several have noted, this sentiment has been expressed since Socrates was around, so the only conclusion it's possible to draw with any certainty is that as we age we become less tolerant of the very things we all used to do as youngsters.
QuoteI would like to commend Barclays for their recent TV campaign and website "Lifeskills" a small step in the right direction......https://www.barclayslifeskills.com/getstarted/?campaign=9955&chnnl=PSB&mpch=ads (https://www.barclayslifeskills.com/getstarted/?campaign=9955&chnnl=PSB&mpch=ads)
Lovely chaps those guys at Barclays - hang on that's not the same monsters who conned everyone in the libor scandal and more recently this http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/city-news/barclays-hit-new-scandal-dark-3773059? (http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/city-news/barclays-hit-new-scandal-dark-3773059?)
Because they seem so caring and nice with their little publicity stunt don't they ???
I would like to commend Barclays for their recent TV campaign and website "Lifeskills" a small step in the right direction......https://www.barclayslifeskills.com/getstarted/?campaign=9955&chnnl=PSB&mpch=ads (https://www.barclayslifeskills.com/getstarted/?campaign=9955&chnnl=PSB&mpch=ads)
Lovely chaps those guys at Barclays - hang on that's not the same monsters who conned everyone in the libor scandal.
Because they seem so caring and nice with their little publicity stunt don't they ???
Ali G was a spoof - created to be ignorant and very stupid.
No
Because that wouldn't work Steve
"Lose their benefits"
What are they going to do then? Starve? Let their Children starve? Are we going to allow that?
Are they? Or will they turn to crime and start burgling and mugging good working people like me and you Steve?
"Lose their benefits"
What are they going to do then? Starve? Let their Children starve? Are we going to allow that? Are they? Or will they turn to crime and start burgling and mugging good working people like me and you Steve?
Because that wouldn't work SteveI am not saying "lose" but..." a system where they have to "volunteer" their time and skills, or lose their benefits."
"Lose their benefits"
What are they going to do then? Starve? Let their Children starve? Are we going to allow that?
Are they? Or will they turn to crime and start burgling and mugging good working people like me and you Steve?
This is like Daily Mail roulette. We've gone from unemployment benefits to immigration in one swift spin.Sorry B2R, do not want to go there, used only to make a point on the benefit issue.
A lot of the things people perceive are down to the DFM...
Stands for the Daily Flipping Mail
Most newspapers are full of rubbish. No-one, of course, is forced to read them.
The danger is the influence these nasty little, spite-filled organs of bile have on politicians, who assume people do read them and - in the case of the DFM - sometimes even believe the festering ejaculate on which they thrive. Fortunately, since the Murdock slime has been reduced by one - the NOTW - the DFM is the worst of the remaining carrion so anyone with more than a room temperature IQ is able to see through their venomous poison.
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the festering ejaculate on which they thrive.
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I will say to you again, go and live in one of the MANY areas chronically affected by the social and immigration problems that exist... and find out what it's like in the REAL world!
Some friends of ours just around the corner moved here from Nelson some years ago due to their home town being overrun with immigrants. They say their street was getting taken over and they were not made welcome in their home town!
This is like Daily Mail roulette. We've gone from unemployment benefits to immigration in one swift spin.Sorry B2R, do not want to go there, used only to make a point on the benefit issue.
This is like Daily Mail roulette. We've gone from unemployment benefits to immigration in one swift spin.Sorry B2R, do not want to go there, used only to make a point on the benefit issue.
Looks like we got here anyway..... :twoface:
Are we debating immigrants taking jobs or claiming benefits.......
"If you look at it in per capita terms, most studies don't find a particularly large impact and these studies depend on a whole range of assumptions and the impact will depend on how you look at things," Liebig says.
experts agree it's hard to capture the true picture, without making a lot of assumptions.
There are many things you can measure, and you can measure them in many different ways, making many different assumptions.
The BBC also needs to be more careful in its analysis.
Much more balanced and far more coherent. And some things he says are interesting:Quite.QuoteThe BBC also needs to be more careful in its analysis.
(In my opinion pensioners should not be included as being on benefits, they paid into the system to get a pension)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/06/welfare-britain-facts-myths (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/06/welfare-britain-facts-myths)
The vast majority of people who are on benefits are there because they're...looking after young Children
This statement is just ridiculous "any kind of benefit cap, benefit cuts or anything else is only going to hurt those people who genuinely need those benefits to survive"
How do you think the vast majority of working people cope?
What is there to possibly say?- What can you, I or anyone else do about it? The answer is nothing,
Remember not all people looking after Children are able to work. Lots are single parent,
BTR,
These are your words "we are talking as I quite clearly said about 'those who genuinely need those benefits to survive'
Perhaps you can balance your argument and justify how that father of 26 who receives £32K plus per annum tax free ( grossed up to over £40K if he was working ) genuinely needs £32 K plus per annum to survive.
It'll be very interesting to hear what you have to say about that example, especially as many hard working people in this area, including Union members do not earn £40K per annum.
QuoteWhat is there to possibly say?- What can you, I or anyone else do about it? The answer is nothing,
I suspect the answer is a political one. And you haven't answered the question. Do you support single girls having babies and expecting the state to look after them? Because that's what appears to be happening.QuoteRemember not all people looking after Children are able to work. Lots are single parent,
See my previous point...
I'm playing devil's advocate here, but you're lacking in coherent responses.
Most single parents are not single parents through choice
I think among other things it speaks to children having children having children, with little or no thought for the consequences, other then what they will get out of it. I'm not sure that's a healthy attitude for the children being born, the children giving birth or society itself.Very wise words, Ian, it's a ticking time bomb for society as a whole.
BTR, you have again avoided answering my question. &shake&
Of course the example is extreme but we are talking about the small minority of these so called parasites of society, I could have mentioned the Somali unemployed man who lives in a rented £2M house in London and receives £95K in Council Tax benefits alone but instead used the father of 26 who receives £32K plus per annum.
I'll ask you again, do you still think that in that instance that your words 'those who genuinely need those benefits to survive' still apply to that person and if you maintain that they do perhaps you can explain why because your logic is beyond my comprehension
My point, and the only one I need to make is that the only way to have any system that punishes those two tiny minorities you have mentioned also punishes all other genuine benefit claimants and that is not fair and cannot be allowed to happen.
Why haven't they made a confiscation order on this person?
** Bodybuilder jailed for benefit fraud **This sums up just how flawed the system is.. I feel I should comment, but I am lost for words... $angry$ printable words.
A former Mr Wales who falsely claimed £28,332 in disability benefits for eight years whilst continuing to compete in bodybuilding competitions is jailed for six months
Why haven't they made a confiscation order on this person?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29880418 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29880418)
&shake&.... &shake&.... &shake&.... &shake&.... &shake&Interesting to see even a newspaper like the Mirror is having a go at benefit claimants now.
Couple on benefits wed in ceremony that cost taxpayers £5k - and get NHS op to improve sex life
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/couple-benefits-wed-ceremony-cost-5878755 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/couple-benefits-wed-ceremony-cost-5878755)
Ian, I know you were not having a go at me :D I suppose people react to what they see in the media, I suspect that many people think 'why are these people not working yet receiving money, yet we have to go to work?'
I find Katie Hopkins strangely attractive.... I have developed a crush on her! $salute$ $smack$
I have never bought a copy of the Mirror in my life! Glad to see even you see them as benefit scum, they are of no use to society in any way! &shake&
Here's an interesting experiment. Use the slider on the page link (below) to find out how accurate or otherwise your own ideas are compared with the reality in terms of overall welfare spending.
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/ (http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/)
I was out by a significant margin for most and only close on one.
Here's an interesting experiment. Use the slider on the page link (below) to find out how accurate or otherwise your own ideas are compared with the reality in terms of overall welfare spending.
http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/ (http://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/)
I was out by a significant margin for most and only close on one.
I was way out too..........
"Welfare covers a number of benefits, and many people don’t realise that the largest amount is actually spent on state pensions at £83 billion (33% of total welfare spending). "
I get seriously "miffed" time and time again, when pensions are described as "benefits" and "welfare" and are included in figures such as this example,......the majority of people getting pensions today, made a contract with the government to pay into their scheme, and did so for up to 50 years, no wonder the young, point at pensioners and say "why them" and not us.
Pension IS a benefit.
DaveR, how I categorically agree with you!Hi Bosun, The separation you mentioned above needs to be more permanent, rather than just this discussion, while the government continues this policy , and I am sure they will, it makes them look good and the pensioners the "baddies".
I do not yet receive a State Pension, or 'benefits', but I do receive the Private Pensions that I (highly) paid for, for 40 years from taxed income, that I am now taxed on, those taxes, which I have paid twice, going to fund 'benefits'. When I do receive a State Pension, it will, as Dave R says, have been paid for by my NI contributions.
Lets please separate Pensions from 'benefits', at least for this discussion.
By the way B2R, how's the juggling shop doing?
I might be being pedantic, but having paid many tens of thousands of pounds for something, I do actually happen to have a view on what it should be called and I am uncomfortable with it being termed in the same manner as welfare support which is a different facility entirely.