Unemployment and Benefits

[Merddin Emrys]

time to stop child allowance beyond say 2 offspring, that should stop it. If they can't provide for them they shouldn't have the kids and expect everyone else to pay for them.

[born2run]

time to stop child allowance beyond say 2 offspring, that should stop it. If they can't provide for them they shouldn't have the kids and expect everyone else to pay for them.

Child benefit is only £13 a week after the first child - We're not talking massive $$$$ here!
So it's not really going to make much of a difference.

[Fester]

Yeah....but its MY thirteen quid..... and its multiplied by several million kids.... increasingly non-British too !

[brumbob]

but it's not just child Benefit, it's all the other add ons like free school meals, free nursery care, extra Housing Benefit & Council Tax Benefit, the more kids the more you get etc etc

[Fester]

....and I am SICK of it.    :puke2: :puke2: :puke2:

[Merddin Emrys]

but it's not just child Benefit, it's all the other add ons like free school meals, free nursery care, extra Housing Benefit & Council Tax Benefit, the more kids the more you get etc etc

seems to me that if they use more services then they should pay more! Why should the rest of us pay for them to be breeding machines?

[Merddin Emrys]

Who's to say that one of this guy's eleven kids won't be an amazing and valuable member of society?

more likely that all 11 will be a pain in the backside where they live and that all 11 will also produce 11 kids each and so it goes on......

[Ian]

But I do have faith in people - and I think that no matter what background or how bad your parents are you can still achieve great things.

I agree with that sentiment. And it's amazing how children from apparently dreadful backgrounds can and do go on to become productive and valued members of society. Some children manage to do well despite their upbringing, but sadly, the consequences of bad parenting all too often result in the child adopting that lifestyle.  In a sense, we have the DFM to blame for hearing a lot about those who don't do well and virtually nothing about those who do; after all, there's not a lot of news value in reporting the positive contributions made by those who don't steal, those who always pay their taxes, those who work hard and those who don't claim benefits.

And it's worth remembering that the amount paid out in benefits is still dwarfed by the amount owed by those who avoid and evade tax....

[DaveR]

And it's worth remembering that the amount paid out in benefits is still dwarfed by the amount owed by those who avoid and evade tax....

I don't think there's many people in the world who pay every penny of tax that they're supposed to. It should also be pointed out that avoiding tax is perfectly legal. Even after Cameron's cuts, the Benefits system is still way out of control:

"According to an official Treasury forecast, benefits will cost £170.9 billion in 2010/11. That is equal to what the Government will spend on the NHS, schools and universities combined."

[Yorkie]

One very small consolation is that all the money paid in benefits will be spent by the recipients on high tax items such as fags, booze    Z**  and luxury goods so a good percentage will get back into the system.  The shopkeepers who profit from the purchases will also pay tax as will the people that they spend their money with, so all in all, the overall burden on us tax payers is reduced.    ZXZ

Or is all that just wishful thinking and poor mathematics?     L0L

[Llechwedd]

Oh god I'm surrounded by fascists!

[Yorkie]

Sorry to disappoint you - I am the last person to be a Fascist and I object to being refered to as one!

[Merddin Emrys]

Oh god I'm surrounded by fascists!

not really, just some of us are sick of some people who take the p...  by extremely milking the system. I am sure that when the welfare state was set up it was with the best of intentions, however years later some abused the system and many more jumped on the gravy train, now the gravy is running out! If that means you think I'm a fascist, then thats your opinion, I'm not bothered, I just think it cannot go on like this.

[Yorkie]

These people also take great satisfaction in boasting in the Media about their "abuse" of the Welfare State.  Take the recent chap and his female child bearing machine who is not satisfied with 9 children but would like another half dozen or so.

Child benefit should STOP after the second child irrespective of who you are!   This would make those irresponsible breeding machines who choose to live on the backs of others think twice about producing litters like the bitches some of them appear to be.

[Fester]

Well, as the instigator of this topic, I have to say that it was a 'slow burner'
But now, due to dwindling resources, and a worsening economic situation, it seems to be gathering pace.

I have always been averse to forking out my 'hard-earned' to those who just don't fancy working.
Now it seems that government and sectors of society have started seeing things my way.  (well Fest usually knows best, it just takes a while some times)

Like I have always said, if Benefits can no longer be afforded, then a percentage will get a job (if they can find one)  another percentage will struggle on with even less, another percentage will turn to crime to get what they have been used to having.
It just seems odd to me that the Govt are cutting the numbers of Police officers at a time when they will be needed like never before.