Roads in the area

[Yorkie]

Failure is progressive as any engineer will tell you, and routine inspection, even by non destructive testing could herald an incident!   

[Merddin Emrys]

The Freudians believe that, but I always wonder about sudden catastrophic failure, such as an element failing abruptly without apparent reason.

The element failing abruptly is usually the nut behind the wheel, sometimes drunk, sometimes not, I've been hit several times by both types   all ok now though

[Yorkie]

There is an interesting discourse on Accident here:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/accident

 

[Pendragon]

On my sons 17th birthday I bought him his provisional License lke many other parents thinking he would gain his own independence.  However as the last few years alone have shown in the area this was not a good idea at all. I have a 13yr old at the moment and I truly hope they up the age to 21.  Y'see teenagers have no idea of consequence, I think they should be governed to cars with a small engine like a fiesta or something similar.  The individuals involved in accidents like this had no intention of injuring themselves or anyone else and thats the problem. They are as gutted as everyone else and the guilt will be with them forever, this lad was their friend. Such a shame.

[Merddin Emrys]

cars with a small engine these days can still go fast though, we have a Nissan Micra which is only a one litre engine and its amazing how well it goes (and I'm someone who years ago had a RS2000 Escort, 3.4 mk2 Jaguar, two Rover 3500 SD1 's etc etc in the days of cheap petrol )  But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

[Ian]

But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

I suspect it's more to do with the fact that the young don't learn from history, only from experience.  Most young folk think themselves immortal;  I certainly did.

[Merddin Emrys]

But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

I suspect it's more to do with the fact that the young don't learn from history, only from experience.  Most young folk think themselves immortal;  I certainly did.

I still think I'm immortal at 54 I was always more worried about severe injuries than death

[Ian]

But you were worried.

[Pendragon]

cars with a small engine these days can still go fast though, we have a Nissan Micra which is only a one litre engine and its amazing how well it goes (and I'm someone who years ago had a RS2000 Escort, 3.4 mk2 Jaguar, two Rover 3500 SD1 's etc etc in the days of cheap petrol )  But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

Yeah, I was talking to a friend about the subject only the other day, we said games like Colin Mcrae (showing my age now) probably contribute but are not entirely to blame. Young men are obsessed with "speed" "power" and "winning" all traits defined by human nature. Of course cars fit the bill on all points.

[Merddin Emrys]

But you were worried.

a bit and I have quite some history of car crashes (none of which were my fault on the road!) one on a hillclimb track in a Triumph Vittesse many moons ago L0L

[Pendragon]

But you are right that teenagers have no concept of consequence, is it down to computor games where you 'die' but come back time and time again? ?

I suspect it's more to do with the fact that the young don't learn from history, only from experience.  Most young folk think themselves immortal;  I certainly did.

I realised as my kids were growing up, we all only learn from our mistakes I don't know anyone who thought their parents knew best or ever listened. The hardest thing about being a parent is knowing your children are heading for a fall and all you can do is stand by and help pick up the pieces.  I suppose the hardest thing for a young person is realising their parents were right all along, but usually by this time the damage has been done.

[Yorkie]

For my sins I am a qualified Observer for the Institute of Advanced Motorists and also a Gold Award RoSPA Advanced Driver.  I believe that all new drivers should carry on and get further driving tuition by taking an Advanced Driving course.  The I.A.M. only charge about £140 which includes ALL tuition until one passes the Test, 1 year Annual Membership, Tuition Literature, and Test Fee.   When you consider the cost of one dent in your car or the cost of learning to drive it is a small price to pay to bring your Son or Daughter up to a Standard equivalent to the Police Roadcraft qualification.  

RoSPA also operate a similar system but with, what I consider, a harder test, and at a lesser cost.  ZXZ

The IAM have  a North Wales Group and RoSPA are in the process of forming a North Wales Group.   If anyone has any queries they can PM me direct.     )*)&

In my time I have had "pupils" from 19 to 65, the yougest and oldest both passing their test with flying colours!   D)

Christmas is just around the corner!

[Fester]

Drink Driving might be a terrible thing ... BUT, there is nothing worse than having a crash when you are sober !!

Just what point are trying to make there?

"Drink driving might be a terrible thing"......MIGHT?

Compare this to an accident when sober?
Please let me know what drugs you are being prescribed because that can't of statement is not made by someone compos mentis. If you are going to come on this forum and pass comment, at least do it sober.

Pendragon talks an awful lot of sense on this subject....
But Major Mellons would like to know what drugs I am on.
Well I can tell you, Originally it was Calpol,  then as the years went by I turned more to Junior Aspirin, (just loved that crumbly orangy feeling) ..
But now, I really more on Prozac to keep me awake on the Forum until these uhholy hours.., and WD40 for my creaking knees.

Whats your poison?

[Ian]

Both our sons have passed their IAM test, and it makes a difference to their driving beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like Yorkie, I took mine many years ago and became an observer with a group; it's something that everyone should try and it helps you become a much better driver.

The hardest thing about being a parent is knowing your children are heading for a fall and all you can do is stand by and help pick up the pieces.

So true...

[Trojan]

Drink Driving might be a terrible thing ... BUT, there is nothing worse than having a crash when you are sober !!

Just what point are trying to make there?

"Drink driving might be a terrible thing"......MIGHT?

Compare this to an accident when sober?
Please let me know what drugs you are being prescribed because that can't of statement is not made by someone compos mentis. If you are going to come on this forum and pass comment, at least do it sober.

Pendragon talks an awful lot of sense on this subject....
But Major Mellons would like to know what drugs I am on.
Well I can tell you, Originally it was Calpol,  then as the years went by I turned more to Junior Aspirin, (just loved that crumbly orangy feeling) ..
But now, I really more on Prozac to keep me awake on the Forum until these uhholy hours.., and WD40 for my creaking knees.

Whats your poison?

Was always a Haliborange kid myself.