Roads in the area

[Dave]

Of all those who have signed the petition, I wonder how many would stick to 30 if it was brought back, me included ?
Don't tell anyone but the 20mph limit doesn't bother me in most places. 25mph is quite adequate in built up areas and suburban roads where pedestrians are likely trying to cross and at that speed everyone is a winner.
I don't want to see the Arrive Alive vans parked up where there is little likelihood of any road casualties but rather they should be allowed to be hidden or in unmarked vehicles  and catch those who don't care for the safety of others and drive totally irresponsibly.

[Hugo]

Well said Dave.     We have a rather odd situation up here on Colwyn Heights with King's Drive going up the hill from Colwyn Bay to Pen Y Bryn Road.
There is a 20 mph limit on the road until you come up to the Old Highway.   The steep and winding section through the woods has a 30 mph stretch but just before you reach the built up area the speed limit goes back to 20 mph
Coming back down the steep hill section with the 30 mph limit this suddenly changes to 20 mph.     How can you safely change from 30 mph to 20 mph when you are travelling down a very steep section of road.   It just defies any logic or common sense

[SteveH]

THE PETITION opposing the change of speed limit throughout Wales has now passed 450,000 signatures.

As of September 17, the majority of residential roads in Wales have changed from 30mph to 20mph.

The Welsh Government says the move will help save lives and also hope that it can encourage people to walk or cycle to work.

But, as with during the trial period in areas like Buckley, the change has been met with strong opposition throughout Wales.

So much so that a petition against the change has so far gathered 456,266 signatures (correct at time of writing).

cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/23832193.petition-20mph-still-collecting-signatures/

[DVT]

Might have to record it and play on Fast Forward!

[Hugo]

I drove from Colwyn Bay to Llandudno for the first time since the 20 mph limit was introduced and must admit that it was a driving experience that wasn't that enjoyable.
Going down the promenade in Craig Y Don  I was behind another car and the driver must have been concentrating on not exceeding the 20 mph speed limit.   That is the only explanation I can think of as she was driving along the white line in the centre of the road
Coming back along the road by Llandrillo Technical College I was behind another driver who was sticking religiously to the 20  mph limit when a car overtook the both of us.   Unfortunately the Arrive Alive camera van was not in it's usual place near the College

[DVT]

I went into Colwyn Bay this afternoon and it seemed to me that everyone was driving just as before, sensibly between 25 and 30 ... from West End into town I was following a chap on a bicycle - my speedo was showing 26mph and he was pulling away from me!

[Hugo]

Speed is not the only factor in serious road crashes and as people on the forum have pointed out it is usually the fault of bad or reckless driving that is to blame.
I have driven up and down King's Drive in Colwyn Bay thousands of times over the years and never seen anything like I witnessed on Friday.
I was driving up the 20 mph section and the bin lorry in front of me shot off doing well over the speed limit but after the Old Highway section which has a 30 mph section I caught up with the bin lorry.   This was only because in front of the bin lorry was a road sweeping vehicle that was doing just 5 mph.
If anyone is familiar with this road they will know that towards the top of the road there is a very sharp left hand blind bend.    This is followed almost immediately by a sharp right hand blind bend and just before the first left hand bend the driver of the bin lorry started his overtaking maneuver.
We couldn't believe our eyes and even on the second blind bend the bin lorry was on the wrong side of the road.     As luck would have it no vehical was coming down the hill so no crash occurred
I had my dash cam on and would gladly have handed it to the Police but as a collision didn't happen I decided not to hand it over.
 

[SteveH]

LIVE: A55 completely closed in one direction after 'serious' crash
Drivers are being warned to expect delays with a massive diversion set up

A serious crash on the A55 has closed the road completely in one direction.
The collision has taken place between Penmaenmawr and Conwy.

It has seen the eastbound lanes closed by police.

cont live https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/live-a55-completely-closed-one-28000567?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589


Welsh Government confirms when 20mph enforcement will begin
There has been a 'grace period' since the new default limit came into force in Wales

Now deputy climate change minister Lee Waters has said that the "grace period" was coming to an end and Welsh Government confirmed enforcement would start in December. He announced this at the Senedd's climate change committee

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-government-confirms-20mph-enforcement-27991378?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589

[SteveH]

 Updates as Storm Ciar?n hits North Wales

cont https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/23896267.live-updates-storm-ciaran-hits-north-wales/

9:16am
Conwy County Borough Council 'clearing road drains'
"We have gully tankers clearing road drains as well as teams checking and clearing culverts and watercourses.
"This is ongoing work, not just before forecasted bad weather."

[SteveH]

RHOS-ON-SEA promenade is set for further closures this month as the final road surfacing work is completed.

Surface work will begin on November 7, with the The West Promenade/Cayley Promenade junction (the Colwyn Bay end) to close on Wednesday, 15 November.

Rhos Promenade will be closed from opposite Harlequin Theatre to Combermere Gardens on November 16 and 17.

Bus stops will be temporarily relocated while the work is ongoing.

This is for the final part of road surface work, as the extensive work on the sea defence and promenade rejuvenation project nears an end.

A Conwy County Borough Council spokesperson said: "Our contractors are laying the final road surface at Rhos on Sea promenade from Tuesday, 7 November, for two weeks.                       ref pioneer

[SteveH]

What North Wales Live readers had to say about 20mph speed limit in our survey
One survey participant branded the move 'a shambolic piece of legislation'

n our poll, readers expressed their views including over 1,240 people who said the new 20mph speed limit had affected their lives for the worse - compared to 53 being happy with the legal change that came into force in September.

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/what-north-wales-live-readers-28042787?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589

[SteveH]

Welsh politicians faced fresh fury for spending more than ?30 million on changing the speed limit to 20mph when ?the NHS is dying?.

Wales became the first nation in the UK to adopt 20mph as the default limit on restricted roads ? prompting widespread fury.

And Senior Labour MP Chris Bryant and Plaid Cymru leader Liz Saville Roberts came under fire tonight from members of the public on Question.

Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford, praised by Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner during the party's conference in Liverpool, has come under mounting criticism for the scheme.

One raged: ?I'm speaking on behalf of nearly everybody in Wales

cont https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1833441/Wales-20mph-fury-Question-Time?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589

[Dave]

I have only watched a few snippets of last night's Question Time but I would have loved someone to pick up Liz Saville on why she had driven to Llandudno from Crewe. The North Wales connection is appalling. The other week my Grandson found himself stranded in Crewe as the connecting service to Chester was abandoned and I had to go and pick him up. There was no forewarning until he had boarded the train in Euston when the announcer said there was no connection service and you were on your own from there. What service is that? It was the last train of the evening, what was he meant to do? Luckily he had a Grandparent willing and able to go fetch him in appalling weather conditions, but not appalling enough for the rail company to not put on a coach connection between Crewe and Chester .

Re the 20MPH limit Chris Bryant mentioned that the road he had driven in to Llandudno on had quite rightly been reduced from 40mph to 30mph as a result of fatalities on that stretch of road. I wish someone had asked the question about what speed most accidents have happened at in what were 30mph roads, certainly in terms of the one mentioned they vehicles were driving at at least twice the speed limit as we know.

I'm in favour of 20mph in appropriate areas as I'm sure most are. I appreciate that we will all likely drift a few miles over the limit if we are not careful so 30 can become 35 and therefore 20 becoming 25 isn't such a threat to pedestrians and cyclists and should a collision occur, the injuries not as severe. Sensible local interpretation of these new limits is what is missing as well as more effort to adhere to appropriate speeds. I was enraged the other day when I was overtaken on Queens Drive C-Y-D by a red BMW that had tried to overtake me on the outside lane of the roundabout approaching the beginning of said road before thinking twice at this stupid manoeuvre. By the time I had got to the front of Blind Veterans he was a pair of distant tail lights beyond the park. The speed limit had no consequence to that entitled driver.

[Cambrian]

Dave, very good point.  I have I think mentioned previously is not just Avanti's extremely poor service but TfW are also culpable.  I think there is one through service from North Wales to Crewe on TfW per day and that is for stock movement purposes rather than for passengers' convenience.

In BR and First North Western days, trains from North Wales to Birmingham generally - if not always - went via Crewe and Stafford thus providing good connections to London, West Country, Scotland and the East Midlands. There was a separate service from Chester to Birmingham via Wrexham and Salop.  The Wales & Borders franchisees came under political pressure to avoid travelling through England and provide more services to Cardiff and the exotic destinations of Maesteg and Carmarthen etc., hence the cessation of the Birmingham service via Crewe and reliance on a shuttle from Chester which only allows about 5 minutes to cross the bridge at that station if eastbound. 

[Hugo]

The Welsh road where the speed limit changes eight times along two-mile stretch
The number of speed limit changes have increased following the controversial introduction of default 20mph limits


That road is in South Wales but I wonder if any road in North Wales can beat it?      King's Drive in Colwyn Bay has only 3 changes but that's in less than half a mile           

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-road-speed-limit-changes-28187233