Roads in the area

[Yorkie]

Wrex - if you can find a key that fits the control box you can change the sequence yourself.   The old Police Box (tardis) key that also fitted AA and RAC Boxes used to fit as we (Police) had to turn the lights off for the passage of Royal Personages!    That was a few years ago so . . . . . . . . .  ££$

[Ian]

Could this be the solution to Llandudno's parking issues?
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http://hpritam.posterous.com/so-you-think-you-can-park-a-car

[bigbadhenry]

Mostyn Champneys Retail Park is having cameras and timed parking. 

[Bri Roberts]

It is very likely to affect families thinking of going to the Superbowl followed by a meal at McDonald’s if parking becomes limited to a maximum of two hours.

There again it will help eliminate ice cream vendors and overnight motorhomes from parking long hours and spending very little, if anything at all.

I wonder who will police it?

[wrex]

  Not sure where the Mostyn Champneys traffic lights link has gone but i did e-mail a Colin Gilligan who is based in Broughton retail park but is responsable for Llandudno,he says he has spoken to highways and they see no problem whatsoever with the traffic lights,they obviously never been there when its busy.On the subject of xmas lights he said it is not policy to light up retail parks,i did ask him then why is Broughton the exception then,i will let you know his answer too that.

[Yorkie]

It is very likely to affect families thinking of going to the Superbowl followed by a meal at McDonald’s if parking becomes limited to a maximum of two hours.
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I wonder who will police it?

Probably a private firm.  In Tesco they have APNR Cameras that record every vehicle in and out of the car park.  If you overstay and your vehicle is not registered as an employee on the data base, a Fixed Penalty Notice arrives through the post.  These are rigorously followed up if not paid.  (ASDA have attendants.)
This system is operated by many private car parks, and just in case one thinks otherwise, it is perfectly legal and recovery of moneys due has the normal force of law behind it! 

Just because there are no attendants in view does not mean there is no enforcement!   

[wrex]

 :-[Well this is going to make quite a difference to Llandudno,there are a lot of people park at the side of Iceland and leave their cars there allday while shopping in town.Over the extravaganza weekend B+Q had somebody with a gun at their entrance clocking every car reg.
















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[Bri Roberts]

As a result of the new parking restrictions on Mostyn Champneys, it is quite possible motor vehicles will begin to park all along both sides of the road leading from Mostyn Broadway to Conway Road.

Remember where you heard it first.   

[Yorkie]

The whole problem lies in the fact that the retail park should have been put "out of town".   The Road arrangements were brought up in the Council during the consultancy period and the developers produced a 400 page document to prove there would be no traffic problems.    If it takes 400 pages to indicate a negative effect on the town's transport arrangements someone was pulling the wool over everybody's eyes.

The problems were foreseen but, as per normal, norhing was done.   And it is too late now unless the lot is pulled down.  :rage:

[wrex]

  Sorry to disagree Yorkie, i think the retail park has been good for Llandudno bringing in such a different range of shops and what is unique about Llandudno  is you can WALK from our retail park into Upper Mostyn St with shops all the way,unfortunatley now we are about to lose the free parking over 2 hours things will change,as for the pathetic traffic lights and exits at Mostyn Champneys and the Asda setup ,that;s down too CCBC.All problems are on Ronnie and Philips ward so lets see some action. ZXZ

[Yorkie]

Come, come Wrex.  Is it not you who is always complaining about the traffic getting out of Mostyn Champneys onto Conway Road.    This is because the have put the exit of a large Retail Park joining a major commuter road!

You might be able to WALk from the Town centre to the Retail park  to shop.  But this has become essential as we have seen many of our old established shops driven out of business.  Our Main street is now left with pound shops, tat shops, cafes and charity shops by the dozen.   Interspersed with Banks and other financial institutions, it is now a main street without any character or substance.   Very soon I expect to see the tumbleweed rolling along the street.   It can only get worse.

As for traffic and parking - space is at a premium now without further controls being put on what space there is and we have yet to see the full effects.  Be prepared for total gridlock, especially on Bank Holidays.

[wrex]

  Sorry again Yorkie but every town has empty shops at the moment so its hard to tell,as for Llandudno;s empty shops being blamed on Parc Llandudno,of course its taken a few away but it has certainly made Llandudno a better place to shop for most,oap;s may not agree but this town is for all ages. Z**

[DaveR]

In an ideal world, what would happen is that the chain stores would all move down to Parc Llandudno and rents would fall sufficiently along Mostyn Street to allow all the family businesses back in.  ££$

[Pendragon]

Y'know maybe I'm wrong but I was in Caernarfon this week and was struck by the amount of local independent shops up and down the high street all busy too.  Bangor has shops closing left right and center and will probably suffer even more when the new Asda is built on our beloved Farrar Road, out of town shopping surely contributes toward shop closures?

[Ian]

out of town shopping surely contributes toward shop closures?

It probably does, but I suspect the internet does it even more.  Local shops have to adapt;  they have to find a niche which the larger shops can't or won't fill. The main difference between the chain store and the local person is almost inevitably the levels of personal service and knowledge, hence the proliferation of cafes, hairdressing salons and restaurants.

I've long thought that introducing themed shops could work: Victorian themed sweetshops, for instance, with sweets in giant jars as in yesteryear and selling a range of '50s tat - even quality tat for that matter. That would attract visitors, that's for sure.