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[dwsi]

Lewis Roberts appointed town postman for Llandudno in June 1898 (bottom right)

[jane B]

That's great! Did he stay long enough to get a retirement presentation?

[dwsi]

Last record is as Rural Postman - Llandudno to Tywyn(Deganwy) in 1903

[jane B]

Thanks, a bit more info for the family file!

[Hugo]

I was back at the Conwy Archives today and just found out that they are closed after 17th November until Mon 2nd December 2011 in order to do their stocktaking, sorry Emma.       
This is what I found out today:-
The obituary for Robert Roberts is in the Llandudno Advertiser dated 11th Feb 1961. I am due to receive an e-mail with a photo of the notice but part of it is as follows:-    Mr Robert Roberts died at his home 7 Jubilee Street Llandudno aged 69. A bachelor son of the late Mr and Mrs Enoch Roberts. He was until recently employed by Llandudno Council as a Market Superintendant. He is survived by a brother Mr Owen Roberts of Penrhynside. He was buried at St  Tudno's and Messrs Griffith Roberts of Jubilee Street did the funeral arrangements.

I looked at the 1939 Street Index which I think is the last one where the residents are listed alphabetically and there was an Owen Roberts listed as living at 1 Drillo View, Pendre Lane, Penrhynside.   By pure coincidence there is another Owen Roberts living at Brookside Ffordd Glanwydden,  Glanwydden ( That's the same street as the Windmill)
In the 1939 Street Index Lewis Roberts was no longer living at 2 Vadre Cottages Llandudno,  but surprise, surprise he was living at 1 King's Head Ffordd Glanwydden, Glanwydden.   (That was only a few doors away from Pendyffryn)
The Hiraeth must be strong to attract the Roberts back there so often.       don't forget the Queen's Head too.     ZXZ

[emma p]

Brilliant dwsi......thanks so much.

[emma p]

Thanks Hugo.......oh typical, my one and only chance to get there and the archives will be closed ! Oh well, another excuse for a weekend in the Spring. 
There is most definately a strong family tie with Glanwydden.......or is it the pubs !!!
Well I am most certainly feeling the 'Hiraeth' and cant wait to get there......not long now. 
I shall google those addresses and see what comes up.
Jane has posted me a copy of 'the family tree'.......so i can fill these bits in.
Roll on the weekend after next. 

[emma p]

Hi all,
I have received Janes enormous 'Roberts Family Tree' today. It really is huge !
A big thankyou to everyone who has contributed information for us and a bigger one to Jane for taking the time to actually record it all. It must have taken quite some time !
It really makes for a fascinating read and makes me feel very proud to know that i definately have two feet very solidly planted in our beloved Llandudno.

 

[Hugo]

I was checking the 1911 Census again and after seeing the other addresses nearby I can confirm that William Roberts b 1876 lived in Ty Canol in Bryn Pydew.  Jane knows all the info and you do now Emma but I'll post the details here.  The 1911 Census shows the following:-
William Roberts Head aged 35 Gas Fitter For Colwyn Bay U D C  Born Llangystennin
Maria    Roberts wife  aged 34                                                      ditto
Margaret T Roberts     aged 10    scholar                                       ditto
Mary Anne Roberts      aged  7    scholar                                       ditto
William T Roberts        aged  5    scholar                                       ditto
Edith M Roberts           aged 2                                                    born Llanrhos Parish
They all spoke Welsh and English

I also checked on the Census for Evan Roberts of 2 Vadre Cottages as I had looked at the property the other day and they only looked like they had ever been cottages and not a shop.   The Census showed that Evan was a worker for an employer so it's more than likely the bakery was elsewhere.     

[jane B]

Hi, Just got back from Llandudno. The weather was fab and sunny for 2 and half days. The rally was quite exciting but I didn't like the idea of them racing round the Orme, they might have done it some damage! We went on the funny old 1960's bus round the Orme, there was an informative guide so I enjoyed my first ever round trip. The next one will definitely be on foot.
Went to the Archives but couldn't stay long as I wasn't alone. Not everyone finds my family enrthralling! Whilst there I checked the Parish registers for baptisms for Enoch and Eleanor. I found 2 more sons! They are before the eldest daughter in 1808 and 1810 respectively. I will do some more research and post you the details.
Thanks to all for the info they have posted since I have been away.Emma, I have posted you something today. I hope you like it!

[Blodyn]

Jane, I'm so glad that you enjoyed your visit to Llandudno.

Emma, I hope that you will have an equally good trip.

I really enjoy reading this post, it's fascinating to see the family story building up, and will look forward to the next installments. 

 ££$

[jane B]

Hi Blodyn, so glad this keeps you entertained! I had no idea I had all these family members to discover. I have found two more.
William Roberts born 1808 Llangwstenin. In 1851 and 1861 he was a Baptist minister in the parish of Llanasffraid(?). In 1861 he lived at Ffwddlas in Tre Trallwyn. I think he was at Salem Fforddlas, a Baptist church which is now closed.
1851 he lived with his daughter Elizabeth aged 12 born about 1839 Llanasffraid, also his sister Margaret aged 27 born about 1824 Llangwstenin. His wife does not appear in 1851 but in 1861 she is given as Jane Roberts born about 1814 Llandrillo.

The other one is Robert Roberts born about 1810 Llangwstenin but living in 1851 at Llanbeblig. He is a quarryman and married to Margaret born about 1811 in Llandwrog. There are no children at home. They must have gone by now if there were any. I can't find them on any more census but I will keep looking. It will need a trip to the Archives in the New Year to check them out.

[emma p]

Hi Jane,
so glad you had a good trip (bet the Orme looked beautiful in the Autumn sunshine) and what fascinating information you have discovered. I have no idea where any of these places are but i will look them up.
And the names !!! Undoubtedly our family !
What fascinates me is the very strong baptist links within the family. We are a Methodist family ourselves, my mom was actually a Methodist local preacher, and my dad and nan church stewards all their lives.
The strange thing is Grandad (Richard,Johns son) would not go near the place.....only for weddings and funerals. Coming from such a strong, Baptist family it makes me wonder why ?
He did enjoy a pint or two much to my nans disgust !!
Did you read in a post from Hugo that the Archive Centre is closed while we're there.....can you believe it, just my luck !
Looking forward to the postman coming !!!
 

[Hugo]

Hi Jane, if you look at my posting on 6th Nov 2011 you will see about the Baptist missionaries coming up from South Wales and setting up in Fforddlas.
Just to put you in the picture, Llansantffraid is the original name for the village now commonly known as Glan Conwy.  Fforddlas is a very small community south of that on the Llanrwst Road only about a mile away from Glan Conwy,   If you go on Google you'll see a garage there called Nev's Garage and that is where Fforddlas is.
Robert Roberts was the Baptist Minister who carried the faith to Llandudno in  the late 1700's.
Llanbeblig is a district in Caernarfon where I think some of my ancestors lived and Llandwrog is further west.
As I've mentioned before there were loads of Roberts' in Glanwydden in the 1800's and I bet a lot of them will be buried in that overgrown part of Glanwydden Cemetery.

[emma p]

Hugo......my mom would have been so proud of that fact about Roberts Roberts. Just wait till i tell my sister !!