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[Hugo]

No mention of MOT's please!     

Just a couple of add ons:-
In the Street Indexes the only Roberts listed as a Baker was Morris Roberts of 8 Clonmel Street Llandudno but whether he was a relative or not  I haven't got a clue.
Jane, you mentioned earlier about looking at the Electoral Roll and the fact that you could only see up to 10 years back but mentioned 1991.( 2001?)   Are you looking at them on a computer?
The reason I am asking is because when I was working I used to call at Llandudno Public Library to have a look at these Register Of Electors quite often and the records were always up to the previous year.
Unless the rules or legislation have changed in the meantime just go to Llandudno Library and ask for the latest Electoral Register and they should give you the one for 2010.

[jane B]

Hi Hugo, At the archives the young chap whose name I forget said I couldn,t see the most up to date electoral roll so we looked at the 1990 ish one. Thanks for the info though I will go and see the up to date one.
Sorry about the M.O.T!

[emma p]

Hi all,
Jane i understand your obssesiveness.....the need for more information is all consuming !!! It does take over somewhat. I ate, slept and breathed it over the summer and was constantly trying to get things straight in my head and writing things down. But i just love it !
But like you say 'normal' life has to carry on.

Im wondering - did Robert and Richard marry at all ? They obviously both stayed in that house until they died. Robert being the last one in 1961.
I checked all the Owens on that website too last night and couldnt find him either, thankfully.

Hugo youre a star finding Roberts obituary......knew you would. 
I would say there must be one for all of them.......do we have all of their dates of death ? Ill have a check back and see.

Jane would you like me to write to 7 Jubilee street ? Then we would know for sure.......or maybe i could knock the door again when we go up in a couple of weeks. Im desperate to find out who Iorwerth is !!!!!

[jane B]

Hi Emma, I'm too timid to knock on the door! I'd be scared they'd call the police or have me down as a stalker! If Iowerth is still alive he must be 80 ish. I just have a feeling he must have died if there is a young couple in the house. I suppose they could still be family. If you are up for it then I would love to know how you get on when you are there.
It doesn't seem as if they were married as with wives and maybee children that house would be bursting at the seams!
I have just been entering all the couples in my notebook so I can go through the cemetery records to check when they died. I didn't have them in a proper order this week so it wasn't a methodical search. If only they all knew the trouble we are going to, trying to put this family history together!

I am going to re-draw my tree to put them all on the same page so we can see who were cousins etc. When I have done it I would love to send you a copy so can see all the names etc. It's a bit amateurish but at least it's all together!

[emma p]

Ah bless you jane, i was gonna try and do the same thing this weekend on a very large roll of wallpaper !!!  D)

[Hugo]

Emma, it was Richard's obituary I found not Roberts.  I didn't look for Roberts obituary because I had to go to get my car.     
When I'm next in the Archives though I'll look for Robert's obituary in the Llandudno Advertiser.
The Archives haven't sent the e-mail yet regarding Richard's obituary but when it does I'll let you all know.

[Hugo]

I've just come back from the Library where for the first time I've been able to see the 1911 Census.  2 Vadre Cottages is definitely in Vadre Lane and  after checking all the addresses in the street I feel sure that it is one of the cottages pictured in Dwsi's photo.
Jane already knows the details from the Census but I'll post them here:=
Evan Roberts  Head aged 30   Baker and Confectioner born Llandudno  spoke Welsh and English
Mary Roberts   wife  aged 37                                     born Liverpool    spoke English only
Enoch Roberts  son  aged  5                                      born Flint           spoke Welsh and English
Margaret Roberts   daughter aged 2                           born Llandudno  spoke Welsh and English
Ann  Roberts         daughter aged 6 months                born Llandudno   

[emma p]

Thats great hugo.
I hadnt got that info. Its the names that make me smile......theyre all the same !
If i ever had a little boy he would have to be named Evan....i love it ! Mind you there'll be no more babys in this house !
You know how i say we are being guided in this search......well doesnt Vadre Lane run down the side of The Victoria Pub ? Funny, but thats one of our haunts when we're there !!!  They have a cracking open fire in the depths of winter !
It seems wherever we got theres a connection.

[jane B]

Emma, I will have finished the family tree tomorrow. I will send it to you if you give me your address or I could see you in Llandudno when you go for the weekend. It would be no problem to call there and I could visit my friend at the same time.
I was thinking that since Hugo gave me a revised birth date for the most senior Enoch (gt,gt,gt.gt grandfather for you) of 1777 there might be more children that I did not find in the parish records. I will have to check that next week. I have the first child as Anne baptised 10/9/1814 which makes Enoch 36, that seems quite late. Imagine finding anymore! I've already found about 76 people!
You seem to know Llandudno like the back of your hand! I have only been about 10 times in my life and 4 of those have been in the last 2 years. I feel I will be going a lot more now. I have asked by niece and husband to scatter my ashes on the Orme when the time comes. Nothing like making your wishes known early!

[emma p]

Jane,
I really do know Llandudno like the back of my hand........I just adore the place. It has always played a very large part in my life and always will-such special memories.
I have holidayed there pretty much every year for the last 40 odd years.......lots of lovely stories to remember. Always with nan and grandad when we were little. Nan would take every morsel of food with her because she wasnt gonna pay 'seaside prices' ! and grandad would provide the veg from his allotment, so there was always a few carrots, potatos and onions rolling around your feet on the way ! How we ever got there some years, with us all squeezed into dads car ill never know !! But we did and we always had a holiday whatever.
Those were the days eh ? Brings a tear to my eye........just wish i could have them all back, just for a day, then maybe we'd get our questions answered a bit quicker !!
Ps. Ive sent you a message. 

[Hugo]

 I was thinking that since Hugo gave me a revised birth date for the most senior Enoch (gt,gt,gt.gt grandfather for you) of 1777 there might be more children that I did not find in the parish records. I will have to check that next week. I have the first child as Anne baptised 10/9/1814 which makes Enoch 36, that seems quite late. Imagine finding anymore! I've already found about 76 people!

That estimate was based on the 1851 Census because the ages on the 1841 Census were faulty and rounded down.   If you do find out that Enoch had other sons and in particular one called John then I'd be rather intrigued!     

[emma p]

Oooh Hugo, that has intrigued me !!! It could be highly likely there would be another John somewhere considering the repetition of the names.
What are you thinking....please tell.   

[Hugo]

I'll tell you if you find out there is another son called John.   He could be the black sheep of the family!!     

[emma p]

Oh my word...... !!! How mysteriously, exciting. 
Can somebody who has access look quick !!!  lol
Just booked our long-ish weekend Hugo, so will be there on the 19th. Happy Days ))

[jane B]

Hugo, You are a terrible tease! Emma, just sent you a reply to your earlier message.