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[jane B]

Great find for Vardre Cottages! Another mystery solved. I had a great day in Llandudno, bumping into Hugo at the archives was surreal!
I didn't get too many answers to my questions, I ran out of time.Perhaps I will have better luck next week!

[emma p]

Cheers dwsi and dave.....good finds.
Can someone please remind me who lived in Vardre Cottages ?? !!!!!
Glad you had a good day jane 

[emma p]

Just had a re-read of thread and it was Evan (one of Enoch juniors sons)..... He lived there in 1911. It was a house and shop and he was a confectioner and baker.
I wonder....is that where my sister gets her baking skills from ?.....i certainly dont !!!

[Hugo]

I drove down Vadre Lane after visiting the Archives and saw these cottages but the strange thing is that neither Evan Roberts or houses in Vadre Lane were  listed in the 1911 Street Index.
There is a later Street Index there for 1914 so I'll have another look next time.
The first Police Station was in Court Street although the entrance is in Vadre Lane and is one of the few remaining original buildings in the lane. I wonder if it had any other use.     

[snowcap]

this thread as nothing to do with me but it makes very good reading, look forward to more of your finds , so good luck and keep the finds comming

[emma p]

It is a good read snowcap......i re-read it all sometimes, makes me very proud to be a Roberts !
Im sure theres more to come........these Roberts' are everywhere !!!
 

[jane B]

Hi Emma,  I was mulling things over in my head (while I was supposed to be sleeping!), It is really difficult to work forward to find any living relatives. I so want to know if there are any photos and some stories about people and places.
At the town hall I tried to find out from the death certificates the address of Richard Roberts died 25 Feb1956, son of Enoch buried on the Orme. The registrar could find no record of the death registred in Llandudno or surrounding area. Where was he when he died?
I also looked for Robert Roberts died 3 Feb 1961 other son buried with Enoch. That was a success, he was still living at 7 Jubilee Street! His death was registered by his nephew J Roberts.(not married or no children ?)
I do not know who this nephew is, he is not one I have already found so he must have been born after the 1911 census.
Now, when I was at the library last week I looked in a street index (1969) for Llandudno and at 7 Jubilee Street there was a guy called Iorwerth Roberts. Yesterday I looked at the electoral roll for about 1991, you aren't allowed to look 10 years before the current date, and Iorwerth Roberts is still there.
At home I checked the births for the name and there aren't many even using a wide time span. I found two, 1 in 1930, his mother's maiden name was Roberts and one born 1934 (i think!) whose mother was a Williams.

So here is my question, is he a relative or just a coincidence that he lives at 7 Jubilee street? The street index only lists one name so I don't know who else was there. I could do with checking any street lists for 1962 to 1968 to ascertain who was there then before I jump in with both feet and make unsafe predictions.
I was thinking of writing to him anyway but I'm not sure, I don't want him to be spooked, I only want a family history but he he might not be glad .What do you think?

[Hugo]

Hi Jane,  if you are still unable to find out where Richard died it may be worth a look in the February 1956 copy of the Llandudno Advertiser because the obituaries sometimes have the death of people who once lived in Llandudno.
If you want to check whether Iorwerth still lives at the address you could have a look in the rates office for the current year. I'm not certain but the records may be in the CCBC office in Conwy. The Llandudno Town Hall would know where the information is though.

[jane B]

Thanks for that Hugo, I will check next week.

[emma p]

Hi all, great finds Jane.
What a coincidence to have a Roberts still in jubilee st ! Amazing. Dont you just wish it to be one of ours Bet there are photographs in that house somewhere !!!  Who was this nephew who registared Roberts death ? Could be any of the brothers/sisters children. Though we can rule out John and Jennie.
As for Iorwerth....not a clue ? Son of Robert ? or a family member who has inherited the house ? One of the children must have bought it when Enoch died in 1930 ? Im guessing Jane.

When we were there in the summer i took a photograph of the house and street. I did knock at the door first to ask permission but no answer. As i was doing this a neighbour pulled up who said a young family lived there ?
Did you know the house next door is a holiday let ? Its called Jubilee Cottage-you can google it.
As for writing, i dont see the harm. If the people living there are interested they will reply.........of course it really would be amazing if they are our  Roberts' !
 

[emma p]

Jane, referring to Owen Roberts and the possibility he went to war and was killed......along with John Roberts name there is also Owen Roberts name on the cenotaph
Just a thought. He would have been just 20/21 when he died in 1918.....the same year his mother Mary died.

[Nemesis]

I spent some time earlier this week in Llanrhos graveyard and there seemed to be alot of Roberts there too.!

[jane B]

Hi Emma, thanks for your reply. It would be a long shot if they were still there I know. I am beginning to think it is a pipe dream to find anyone who would be as enthusiastic as we are! But you never know! I will give writing a bit more thought. Did you know that one of the other Roberts offspring lived in number 5 Jubilee Street? That was Lewis the post man.
I checked on the War Graves Commission website for Owen Roberts but it wasn't our relative,  he still may have been in the war but thankfully did not die.
I have not done any more research since my Llandudno day, but I will look at the newspapers next week to check for any deaths, that may give us some more idea about more family members. I think I am becoming obsessed with the whole thing so I will have to but in on the back burner for a while! The only other idea I had was to put an advertisement in the local paper with a box number or whatever you do these days and see if it gets any response. On that note I will go, got to do the mundane things like shopping! Speak soon.

[Hugo]

Jane, I took my car to Llandudno for it's MOT and spent some time in the Archives to pass the time away while the test was being done.
Firstly I looked for Evan Roberts of 2 Vadre Cottages and found absolutely nothing. there is no trace of him as a baker/ confectioner or of any houses in Vadre Lane.   
The Street Indexes list only one name and it could be that Evan was not head of the family where he lived and perhaps that is why he was not listed in the 3 Indexes I checked.  Don't give up on him though because I have an idea that Vadre Cottages are not where we would expect them to be.
Now on a more positive side there is no need for you to look in the Llandudno Advertiser for the obituary notice for Richard Roberts because I've found it.  It was in pg 5 of the Llandudno Advertiser dated 5th March 1956.   I'm waiting for an e-mail with a photo of the obituary and then I'll post the transcript in full.
Very briefly Richard of 7 Jubilee Street died at a local hospital aged 67. He was a Baker by trade and was formerly employed by Messrs Llewelyn Jones of Breton Street Llandudno and was one of the original members of the Boys Brigade in the town ( I joined much later! )
and he went to Salem Baptist Church. He is buried on the Orme but I couldn't find the details of where the grave is but may do next time I visit the Archives.
I hope you don't mind but I'll add a little story about when I was much younger.    I went to Lloyd Street Primary School ( where the Archives is now) and directly opposite the entrance is the little lane called Breton Street.  Right at the far end of the lane but no longer there was Jones' Bakery.  A group of us used to go up the lane daily and the smell of the warm bread is still with me today.  We'd each buy very small tin loaves and we'd eat the dough first and then munch away at the crusts.     

[jane B]

Hugo, You are a marvel! Richard is on the gravestone with Enoch & Ann Mary and his brother Robert up at St Tudnos.
Robert was also still  at 7 Jubilee St.
I would be very interested to see the notice in the paper. I agree that the smell of fresh bread is very evocative! You spent a very productive day waiting for youir MOT. Hope it passed!