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[Libby]

Emma I believe that somewhere in the distant past your relatives and mine are related.  My grandmother was a Roberts Jane or Janet  and she had a sister Ann born 1878 and 3 brothers John born in 1884, Frank I believe in 1881 and Evan who died in 1881 and Lewis born in 1879.  Unfortunately my mother never mentioned her mums side of the family apart from an Auntie Ann who I believe had a hair lip and a Blodwyn which sadly I don't remember much about as I was only little.  Sadly she died in 1979 and the rest of my aunt and uncles are all now dead.  My sister has been to the cemetery on the Orme but did not manage to find nans grave, we believe that one of her sons is also buried with her.  His name was John Hullock.  I will be going with my sister to see if we can find it, but my sister tells me that there are lots of Roberts that she has tracked down and they are all related.  As soon as I can get the info from her I will let you know. 

Thanks
Libby

[emma p]

Hi Libby,
Ive just spoke to Jane who told me you were sisters(another distant cousin  ).....any info is great for our search thanks.
You mentioned Blodwyn.......now, my grandads sister was named Blodwyn but i have nothing else...no date of birth etc. All i know is she was the daughter of John and Annie Roberts (my great grandparents) and that she must have been born between 1911 and 1915 (John goes to war at this point, he returns unwell and unfortunately dies in 1920). There were two other siblings Lillian and another for whom i have no name. We have presumed that after Johns death Annie returns to Wednesbury where she was born, with all four children.
Does any of this jog your memory ?
Thanks again, speak soon. 

[Libby]

Hi Emma

I have also spoken to Jane.  When I get some more info perhaps we could meet up.  I only live in Redditch which isn't that far away from you.  I also have a picture of my Grandmother (as does Jane) but sadly we never knew her as she died long before we were born. 

It is very interesting to find all these relatives that I never knew existed and also good to know that I can say I am very much half Welsh.  The weird thing is that my Grandfather on my dads side also died after the First World War due to being gassed.  He died around 1920 also.

[Hugo]

Jane has referred to another William b.1876 ? This is before William number 1 dies ?? Why would you have two sons named William?
Also this is almost 10 years after Ellen and Ann would be 47 by then ??

mmmmm....
[/quote]

Emma, this puzzled me too and I haven't found out the answer.  When I looked at the 1881 Census for Richard and he was living at 2 Maesdu Cottages there were 4 people listed. Richard,Anne and Ellen and their ages matched. The other was William who was then aged 6 in 1881.  However we know that Richard's real son William died in 1877 so is the other William adopted?         He could have been a son of a relative who wasn't able to look after him for whatever reason.

[jane B]

Hi Emma p and Hugo, It does seem a bit strange with the birth dates for William Roberts but perhaps with the census dates not being completely accurate she could have had a child just after the other William died. I could not find him on the 1891 or 1901 census but in 1911 I found a a William Roberts born c 1876 Llangwstenin living in a two roomed cottage called Ty Canol (you sorted that the other day I think). He was married to Maria born c1877 Llangwstenin.They had been married for 5 years according to the census so about 1906. That would make William about 30 at the time of the marriage so he must have left home youngish and been working away somewhere. That is my guess any way. In 1911 they had 4 children all born alive and still living. The eldest 10 and the yougest 2.
I hope this is correct otherwise my family tree is all wrong!

[jane B]

Hi Emma, I have sent you a personal message. Hope you got it! Jane

[emma p]

Hi Jane, i got your message thanks. ive messaged you back.
Have a really wonderful day.......i am very very jealous !!!!
Give Llandudno my love and i hope the sun shines for you.
 

[Hugo]

It was a sunny day in Llandudno and I was in the Conwy Archives again looking for something regarding the Roberts history when a lady heard me and said that she knew about the family and she turned out to be Jane B.
It was lovely putting a face to the name and Jane was busy there doing her research before she had to go home.  I hope you had a safe journey home Jane and were able to get many answers to your numerous questions. But if you didn't it'll give you an excuse to visit again.   

 

[emma p]

Wow Hugo.......what a coincidence !
I think im a day late with my reply !!!
Jane has given me lots of lovely info and lots of addresses to google.
Glad the sun shone for you today.
Im just planning our next visit and have just this minute spoken to the man who owns  the flats where we stay to see if he can fit us in.
So fingers crossed, all being well we'll be there for a long weekend from the 18th november.
We did come last year around the same time, Llandudno was covered in snow ! and it was absolutely freezing !!!
 

[Hugo]

Jane was very busy there Emma with loads of things she was researching.   I wasn't able to find anything out about 2 Vadre Cottages but I was able to confirm that 4 Ffordd Cottages and 4 Rhos Road are the same.
The modern day 4 Rhos Road is by the Promenade whereas 4 Ffordd Cottages is at the top end nearer the traffic lights.
Jane showed me the family tree she has compiled but there are loads of Roberts' in the area that you must be related to and one of the Census records I was looking at it seemed that every other family in Glanwydden was called Roberts so there's a lot more info there to find out.          
It's not long until you come over to Llandudno so I hope that you've got all your questions ready but still have time to enjoy your break and don't forget to try out the Queen's Head where all the Roberts come from.            ZXZ

[dwsi]

This block of flats is known as Vardre, could this be the the site of Vardre Cottages? http://g.co/maps/9cg4c

[emma p]

I said we needed to rename Glanwydden 'Robertsville' !! How funny. 
Ive just googled some addresses in Rhos......Im presuming this is the modern name for Llandrillo yn rhos ? and Colwyn Bay.
Park Road and Ivy Street in Rhos. Nothing for Ivy Street ??
Llewellyn Road in Colwyn Bay, which came up as The Lloyds TSB Bank !!!
Llewellyn Rd and Park Rd were not far from each other.

Also searched for places or areas called Llangerriew, Denbigh and Llanbeblig.......but nothing came up.
Anybody heard of them ?

I shall most certainly be raising a glass to the Robert's in the Queens Head. Bless them, one and all !!!  ZXZ

 

[dwsi]

Llanbeblig is a parish in Caernarfon. This is the parish church http://g.co/maps/6y9zc
Ivy Street, Colwyn Bay http://g.co/maps/8ertx
Denbigh http://g.co/maps/8y7z5
Llangerriw could be Llangernyw

[DaveR]

I said we needed to rename Glanwydden 'Robertsville' !! How funny. 
Ive just googled some addresses in Rhos......Im presuming this is the modern name for Llandrillo yn rhos ? and Colwyn Bay.
Park Road and Ivy Street in Rhos. Nothing for Ivy Street ??
Llewellyn Road in Colwyn Bay, which came up as The Lloyds TSB Bank !!!
Llewellyn Rd and Park Rd were not far from each other.

Also searched for places or areas called Llangerriew, Denbigh and Llanbeblig.......but nothing came up.
Anybody heard of them ?

I shall most certainly be raising a glass to the Robert's in the Queens Head. Bless them, one and all !!!  ZXZ

 

Llangerriew is probably Llangernyw.

Ivy Street is a back street behind Station Road in Colwyn Bay. Most of the terraced houses were cleared during redevelopment in the 1970s and there are no houses on it now.

Llandrillo is the actually the original name for Rhos and covers the area around the Church, which was the original village until the seaside bit was developed.

[dwsi]

2 Vardre Cottages are nowhere near deganwy, they are on vardre lane in llandudno. http://g.co/maps/phwsr and they are now known as 7 & 8 vardre lane