great orme cemetery

[jane B]

Hi Hugo, Just to clarify it is Elias the son of Enoch Roberts  (born 1777) who was married to Margaret Jones. I have been able to unearh quite a lot myself but the stuff you have done for Emma P has helped a lot. The cemetery in the field at Glanwydden was great and very brambly but worth a look.

[emma p]

Jane b
wow.....a cousin on the Roberts side. Ive just read this after not looking for a while. Its a hard one to get your head round as we've gone back so far so i must re-read your post and try to understand which line you come from.
Do you live in Wales or like me wish you did !
We were due to come up to Llandudno this week as im desperate to go to Glanwydden and to St Hilarys to find Hugos fabulous dsicoveries. Unfortunately it doesnt look like we'll get there.
Here is the order of my grandfathers -
  Richard b.1909 (grandfather)
  John b.1885 (g.grandfather)
  Enoch b.1854 (g.g.grandfather)
  Richard b 1816 (g.g.g.grandfather)
  Enoch senior (g.g.g.g.grandfather)
Hugo states the Enoch junior is buried in St.Tudnos, his grave is actually in the other cemetery on the orme. We found it whilst on holiday in the summer. There is a photo of it further back in this topic. Buried with him is his wife Mary (Ann) and two of his sons Richard and Robert.
Whilst searching in the archives we found the baptismal register of John and your Jane E Roberts. Son and daughter of Enoch junior. Jane was stated as being named Jennie and was also known as Jennie on the 1881 cencus. I regret never getting a copy of this whilst we were there.
Jane i would love to know what you know. I have two photographs of John Roberts which are also on here, have you seen them ? Do you have any ? and of who ?
This is so exciting !!!!
We came to a dead end after John Roberts died in the war as it seems Annie his wife came home to the midlands with the children, the oldest being my grandad Richard.
Cant wait for your reply......i just knew there had to be a relative out there somewhere !  D)

[jane B]

Hi Emma, So thrilled you are thrilled! I have read all 14 pages of your post. I was with friends in Llangwstenin on Sunday after we had been visting churches etc looking for Roberts' when my friend read out part of your post asking if anyone knew Enoch Roberts of 7 Jubilee St. I couldn't believe it, the same Gt grandfather!

I live in Liverpool and have done all my life. My mum came here from Llandudno when she married my Dad in the 1940's.I know very little about the Roberts side. My Nan died in 1945 and I was not born until 1952. Mum never said much about her aunts and uncles. Also my mum died when she was 58 and I never asked all those important questions!

Just got your phone message. Please call again when you can! Couldn't get my phone out quickly enough to pick up the call!

[Hugo]

Jane B    When I was looking at the various Census records in the Glanwydden area there were many families called Roberts there and I bet many of them were related to your  family.
If you are looking for the graves of any relatives from that period they are quite easy to find in the Conwy Archives in Lloyd Street Llandudno (next to the Lifeboat House)    They have records for all the Churches and Chapels in this area and are arranged in alphabetical order.
Having said that I still cannot find the one for the G G G G Grandfather Enoch but it's got to be there somewhere! 

[jane B]

Hi Hugo, Thanks for that. Just one more question and I'll be out of your hair!. Do you have any idea where 2 Vardre Cottages might be? Evan Roberts born about 1881 was living there on the 1911 census. It says it was a house and shop and he was a baker and confectioner. Thanks in advance!

[Hugo]

Hi Jane,  When I look for graves I make a note of the names of other graves nearby so that I can locate the one I am looking for and it also double checks that I have the correct one.
I also do this when I am looking for property so I had a look at my notes and Vaynol popped up.  It is in the same street in Glanwydden as the Queens Head, Windmill and Pendyffryn.  The street is called Glanwydden Road.  I' can't remember exactly which one it is but will find out for you. I think it is opposite the Windmill but will check it out.
It's no longer a shop though and the cottages have changed over the years. In fact in that little street there were at least 3 pubs that I know of within 50 yards of Pendyffryn.   Z**
It's been a pleasure looking up things for the Roberts family so if there is anything you want to ask just pop it on to the forum.

[jane B]

Thanks a lot! Can't wait until November and I am there having a good look round!

[emma p]

Hugo,
 all your hard work paid off.....Jane and I had a lovely long chinwag last night. Another phonecall is needed though as Jane has lots of info on all of Enoch and Marys children that i need to get from her.
Ive been mulling it all over again since we spoke and has me all fired up again.
Ive worked it out that Jane and my mom are second cousins. Her mom, Mary, and my grandad Richard were first cousins.....ive got that right havent I ? Been racking my brain as to what relation Jane is to me
It was wonderful to speak to her and have gathered some extra info.....marriage dates and maiden names etc.
Thanks Hugo for still looking for us, it is very much appreciated. 

[emma p]

Jane ,
it was so wonderful to speak to you last night. I rang my sister immediately to tell her the news...she was over the moon.
I will be ringing you again very soon to get the info you have about Jennie and Johns brothers and sisters.
Bet you cant wait to get to Llandudno now ! I always feel like ive 'come home' when im there and i really hope you get that feeling too.
When you go up the Orme (as im sure you will to find 'our grave') send a little 'Hello' from me !
Did you say that your nan Jennie is buried up there too ? I must get the whereabouts of it from you so i can go and say hello too.
Speak soon,
 

[jane B]

Hi Emma, It was was great to talk to you the other day. I can't belive I have left it so long to be curious about so huge a part of my family. I was on the Genes reunited site yesterday (where I got most of my info from) and filled out the family tree. I t took ages! There are 74 members on the Roberts side. It also shows how each one is related to me. Your mum was my second cousin as you have already worked out.
We will discuss more when you get a chance to call. I know you have a job and a child so your time is precious. I am newly retired and have time to carry on looking. 
Look forward to hearing from you again when you have the time.

[Hugo]

The Vaynol Cottage at Glanwydden is on the same side of the road as the Windmill and not opposite as I first thought. In fact a children's play area separates it from the Windmill. In the second photo you can just see the side of the Windmill.
It's now one cottage but could have been two years ago as there is a single storey extension on one side of the house and there is the ruins of another on the opposite side of the house.
I had a look in the Conwy Archives today and you may well be aware of it but there is an Elias Roberts buried in the Capel Ainon Cemetery in Glanwydden. Grave No A032 (the wild part)  The details in the records are   in Welsh but the English translation is as follows:-   Elias Roberts of Pen Y Storws Glanwydden died April 1st 1883 aged 64. Also Margaret his wife died February 20th 1903  aged 87.
Pen Y Storws ( The Top Storehouse) was or is near the Queen's Head Pub in Glanwydden.
You already know where Enoch Roberts is buried but I checked it again and it is Section A  Plot No 127 of St Tudno's Church, in fact it's not far from my G Grandparent's grave.
St Tudno's has one big graveyard but it is split into 2 sections, the Memorial and Inscriptions where Enoch (G G Grandfather) is buried and over the wall where the Civil Cemetery is.

[jane B]

Hugo, Thanks again for the info.

[emma p]

So who lived here Jane ? Think they should re-name Glanwydden Robertsville !!!! Must have been the lure of all the pubs !!!

[Pendragon]

I was reading this thread last night and I think it's great that Emma P and Jane B have been reunited due to this forum.  Hugo you certainly put in the hours fair play to you 

[emma p]

Hugo has been amazing and i cant thank him enough. I certainly wouldnt have got this far on my own. In fact nowhere near ! I know jayne has access to genealogy sites which is a great help. The pictures posted by Hugo are invaluable and his many treks to Glanwydden are very much appreciated.
 D)