great orme cemetery

[Hugo]

I remember the farm buildings and they were near the 8th tee on Maesdu Golf Course but the farm must have been demolished when they made the road through it.
Prior to that there was a track to Deganwy and I think it went up Bryn Gosol rather than the way Maesdu Avenue goes nowadays.
There's very little of the old buildings left (see pic)
Will need to have another look at the Census for 1881 to try and make sense of Tan Yr Ogo Terrace.  There were only six houses listed there then with Thomas Kendrick living in the 3rd along from the Pier end and Enoch Roberts living next door in the 4th cottage from the Pier end.  When I had a look today there seemed a lot more in the terrace.

[Nemesis]

In past times the cottages on Tan Yr Ogo terrace only had one story. I Have a pic some where, but must rush off to the dentists

[Hugo]

You're spot on Nemesis. I've just looked at a 1949 photo of the rear of the cottages and Ivor Wynne Jones refers to them as still being without their second storey.
I've also seen a photo in Chris Draper/ John Lawson Reay's book of upper Mostyn Street C1880 and it looks like the cottages were still single storey then.

[Nemesis]

A friend of mine did a huge amount of research on Thomas Kendrick and the second storey wasn't there when he lived there, another couple of friends actually live in one of the cottages--- If I see either of them I will see if they know when the second storey was added.
Perhaps DaveR has a pic he can add ?

[emma p]

 
Thanks for your replys and pics guys. Yes ive got a picture of them with just one story from the 1880's. Enoch and Mary were living there in 1881 with three children at the time. I presume they lived there from the time they married in 1876 ??
whilst at the archive centre i saw John Roberts baptismal record from 1885 and they were still there.
By 1891 they had moved to jubilee terrace.
They move about alot these Roberts's.....its hard to keep track !   
The middle cottage in the row is very distinctive.....sure its called Lime Cottage or something like that, ill look back through my pics. 

[Hugo]

Thomas Kendrick the next door neighbour of Enoch Roberts and a photo C1880 and it looks like the single storey cottage of Tan Yr Ogo to the top left of the Empire Hotel.

By the way does anyone know the name of the empty property on Ty Gwyn Road that is just below Tan Yr Ogo Terrace?   The place has been empty for years and the windows and doors are bricked up at present.

[Hugo]

I've not had much luck with searches for your G G G Grandfather Enoch Roberts but I did find a record on Ancestry that may be your relative.
There was an Enoch Roberts whose date of death was registered in Jul-Aug-Sept 1852.  It was registered at Conwy and is in Vol 11b at page 241.
The Archives could not help as they didn't have the records there but said that the Town Hall Llandudno could help you to confirm that this is your relative. They did say though that the register would not have details of where he was buried.
Another thing to search for when you have your holiday next here.

[Hugo]

The 1911 Wales Census is not available on Ancestry yet so I could not get the details up for Enoch Roberts (G Grandfather)
The Wales Census Summary book was however available and showed 7 people living at 7 Jubilee Street with Enoch as head of the household.
The occupants were 3 females and four males so the females were Mary (wife) Ann and Jennie.  3 of the sons (including John) had left the house and I would guess that the males would be Enoch and the 3 youngest ones Richard, Robert and Owen.

[emma p]

Hi Hugo.....thanks for that. Yes in 1911 John had been married for 5years. The other sons were Lewis and Evan who would have been 32 and 30.
Just had a look at Anns year of birth.....1878. She would have been 33 in 1911, but in 1920 she was the one who registared Johns death in the name of Ann Williams so obviously married by then. 33 seems quite old to be still living with mom and dad but i suppose as a woman back then she had no choice.
I know it sounds daft but i kinda feel for them all at this point cos we all know whats coming over the next few years !!! 
Speak soon. 

[jane B]

hi Emma P

I cannot believe that I have found this forum
 Enoch Roberts is my great grandfather, my mum, born Mary Elizabeth Roberts is the daughter ofJjane E Roberts who is  the sister of John  Roberts born 1884 ,  and I am currently in Llangwstenin having spent the day in the graveyard looking for family connections.
 I have been researching my family links for a year now and have many of the certs etc that you are  discussing on this site. I have got back as far as 1781 Enoch Roberts , my great, great, great grandfather.

I would love to know more about the children of Enoch and Mary Thomas particularly.
I would really like to email or chat to you on the phone. I have very few family pictures of the Roberts before my mum's generation and would love to see any you have.

[Hugo]

JaneB,  Enoch Roberts your G G G Grandfather was born in Llandrillo but lived at Pendyffryn in Glanwydden during the Census years of 1841 and 1851. He must have died before the next census of 1861 and I think that there is a burial record for him at Llandudno Town Hall. The death was recorded in Jul-Aug -Sept 1852 in the Conwy District Vol 11b  pg 241.
I have tried to find his grave but without any luck. Enoch was a pauper but there must be a record somewhere of his burial.
His son Richard is Buried in the Cemetery in Glanwydden, Richard's son Enoch is buried in St Tudno's and Enoch's son John is buried in St Hilary's Llanrhos.
Do you know if Enoch the G G G Granfather had any other sons?
Mary Thomas was from Penmon in Anglesey and there is a good web site for the area which you may find interesting.   www.penmon.org

[Hugo]

JaneB     In your posting you said that your G G G Grandfather Enoch Roberts was born in 1781, did you arrive at that date using the 1841 Census details?
The reason I ask the question is because in the 1841 Census Enoch's age is listed as 60 and you would therefore assume that he was born in 1781.
The 1841 Census however is flawed because you can see from the notes on Ancestry that tells you that on the 1841 Census form peoples ages have been rounded down to the nearest 5 years.
Enoch was 64 in 1841 but his age was rounded down to 60 but his actual birth year would have been C 1777.
The 1851 Census shows Enoch's correct age at 74 and he was still living in Pendyffryn Glanwydden. It shows that he was born in Llandrillo and was a pauper but formerly a Miller and may well have lived in or had association with the windmill in Glanwydden during his working life.

[jane B]

Thanks for the info Hugo. I had been to look at the Parish records in Llandudno and could find no record of his birth. I then noticed that on the 1841 census it asked was he born in Llangwstenin and it said no, so no wonder I could not find him! I have been doing this for a few months now , it is obsessive!! It looks like Emma P must be a cousin (distant) of mine.I would so like to know more! I have had no knowledge of my mum's Roberts ancestry. I have a friend who lives in Llangwstenin and I have just returned from seeing all the addresses I found on the census. Most of these have been covered on here. It has been an invaluable help. I am going to llandudno again in Nov for 3 days and will do some more looking.

[jane B]

Hugo, Just read your post again. Gt,gt,gt Grandfather Enoch had 2 sons and 2 daughters I found on the Parish records. Richard and Elias roberts baptised 27.6.1819 Llangwstenin. I have his marriage cert and he married Margaret Jones on 14.31840 in the parish church of Llangwstenin. They had 4 children Edward born about 1840 Llangwstenin, Enoch born abt 1846 LlangwsteninRobert born about 1849 Llangwstenin and Margaret born about 1861.
I know that Enoch's wife and family are from Anglesey and their children live there at Gaerwen.

[Hugo]

Jane B,  Llangystenin threw me for a bit as the name refers to a village as well as a Parish but Enoch definitely lived in Glanwydden which is in the Parish name of Llangystenin.
Enoch Roberts your G G G  Grandfather was born about 1777 in Llandrillo which is not far from Glanwydden/Llangystenin . It's just the other side of the Afon Ganol, a river that separates the Parishes from Llandrillo.
I'm not sure who you are referring to when you said  "I have his marriage cert and he married Margaret Jones on 14.31840 in the parish church of Llangwstenin"   Would you mind just clarifying who married Margaret.
You are lucky that the Roberts side of the family lived locally as there are numerous records that you can go through in the area.