Points to Ponder

[Merddin Emrys]

I wonder what we are legally allowed to say about them? You have to be so careful these days! 

[SDQ]

I wonder what we are legally allowed to say about them? You have to be so careful these days! 

Oy vay!

[Yorkie]

I wonder what we are legally allowed to say about them? You have to be so careful these days! 

Anything that is not defamatory ( libelous or slanderous) or racist.   Otherwise I suppose a modicum of politeness should be considered in whatever you say.
 ZXZ

[Merddin Emrys]

That's what I thought! Best to keep quiet on that particular can of worms! 

[Fester]

I wonder what we are legally allowed to say about them? You have to be so careful these days! 

Anything we like Andy, within reason... because we are not talking about a 'race' of people.
The Charedi are a SECT,  something akin to the Moonies. 
Moonies display certain traits,  as do the Amish,  and Millwall football supporters have a certain reputation.
Remember the article?   No one want to escape being a Jewish or Islamic person,  but members of this community express the wish to 'escape'
Therefore, discussing these groups and their tendencies is not a racist matter.
If it's good enough for Ian as Moderator, then it's good enough for me.

I have had the honour of being a guest at Jewish weddings, and done business with many wonderful Jewish people over the years.    I of course refer to Orthodox Jewish people.  Those guys KNOW how to enjoy themselves.
In discussion with those people, I find they they too keep the ULTRA-Orthodox Jewish community at arms-lengths.
An acquaintance of mine from Manchester called them 'hard-core', and said that he and his family were not comfortable around them.

Having read the Independant article,  I now view the issue very differently.
When a group of them descend upon my little shop, knowing that they believe me to be 'evil',  I have no qualms about employing my strategy for lessening my exposure to them.
It is, after all, good for my mental health and stress levels.

Perhaps the Punch and Judy guy might begin to take similar 'evasive action'

Also, I find the most repugnant issue to be the lack of education of females,  and a deliberate lack of state-approved schooling.
I am afraid that is tantamount to child abuse, it is illegal and must be investigated and rectified with utmost urgency.

[born2run]

I wonder what we are legally allowed to say about them? You have to be so careful these days! 

When a group of them descend upon my little shop, knowing that they believe me to be 'evil', 

To be fair they've got a point  WWW

[Ian]

we are not talking about a 'race' of people. The Charedi are a SECT,  something akin to the Moonies.

That was exactly my thought on the matter. If anything, they do as much harm to genuine Jewish communities as ISIS are doing to genuine Islamic communities. Extremists in any religion are potentially extremely dangerous, and I agree with F that this deliberate policy of repressing their children is tantamount to abuse in many ways.

[mull]

Just look on them as the Jewish equivalent of the Jehovahs Witnesses to the Christian religion.

JWs consider everyone not of thier faith as evil.

[Yorkie]

Here is a 90 page study carried out by Hackey Borough Council which makes interesting reading about all aspects of the Charedi and their "almost colonisation" of parts of the Borough.    ZXZ

[Merddin Emrys]

Jehova's witless's are wallys too!

[SteveH]

I wonder what we are legally allowed to say about them? You have to be so careful these days! 

Jehova's witless's are wallys too!

              Way to go M.E.  I luv it.....

[Merddin Emrys]

 

[Ian]

Here is a 90 page study carried out by Hackey Borough Council which makes interesting reading about all aspects of the Charedi and their "almost colonisation" of parts of the Borough.

You mean this:

[Ian]

Jehova's witless's are wallys too!

 

It's not quite that simple although there are marked similarities: steady 'brainwashing' through mandatory attendance at worship, social restriction to only 'their' kind, suppression of any sort of questioning, invasive indoctrination suggesting they are part of a 'unique' group, and everyone else is wicked or godless, pervasive establishing of lies, superstition and so on. These extreme religions groups seek to dominate, control and manage their adherents through a combination of deceit, fear, lack of education and promise of treasures in the afterlife. In short, they aim to turn the clock back about 500 years.

The main difference is that JW's don't actively proselytise when not 'on duty'.  In fact, you wouldn't know you were talking to one unless you asked. From what can be seen, the Charedi don't seek to proselytise in any way.  Rather, they seek to maintain a secretive, insular life, making no contribution to society in general. I wonder how much good that does their children?

[Yorkie]

Just waiting for someone to raise the old chestnut now, and start on the Freemasons!    ZXZ