Points to Ponder

[Hugo]

North Wales: Aberconwy asylum hotel plan attacked by Welsh government


I know that Boris and Truss did not bother to talk to the First Ministers of Wales and Scotland, but is this the way the Tory Party deals with the United Kingdom?     



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-63570024

[SteveH]

Apparently the new Chief Constable Of North Wales Ms Blakeman, had not been advised of the refugees arriving in her area ?  ?

Poll reveals what readers think about controversial refugee hotel in the Conwy Valley
There is considerable anxiety over the move - but some people think it's a chance for North Wales to show how compassionate its residents can be
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/poll-reveals-what-readers-think-25476977


Conwy considers legal action over Home Office placing migrants at Snowdonia Hilton
Some are arguing that the change of use from a hotel to a hostel for asylum seekers could be a breach of planning law
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-considers-legal-action-over-25474507

[Hugo]

Apparently the new Chief Constable Of North Wales Ms Blakeman, had not been advised of the refugees arriving in her area ?  ?

Poll reveals what readers think about controversial refugee hotel in the Conwy Valley
There is considerable anxiety over the move - but some people think it's a chance for North Wales to show how compassionate its residents can be
cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/poll-reveals-what-readers-think-25476977
t https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-considers-legal-action-over-25474507

The only thing we know about these young men is that they entered the UK illegally and shouldn't be here anyway.   They are not asylum seekers or refugees and their exact reasons for being in the UK are not known at present.
I can understand the 8% having compassion for them as that is human nature but I hope that this situation doesn't backfire on the UK Government
Some years ago a convicted murderer failed to return to Bryn Y Neuadd hospital in Llanfairfechan and there was a massive use of Police resources on a nation wide scale looking  out for this one person.
Are any of these people convicted criminals?    Well we don't know as we haven't been advised of the facts, a bit like the North Wales Police who  weren't advised of the situation either

[Hugo]

I read these two articles today and wondered what on earth is going on in the UK       The first article is about denuine refugees who have been invited in to the UK,  While the second article is about illegal migrants who shouldn't be here in the first place,
Instead of having difficulty accommodating these illegals the latest Tory Home Secretary should be working on processing these illegal migrants and returning them home


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/couple-who-fled-war-ukraine-25489483

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-not-alone-britains-councils-25487876

[Helig]

It worries me that this is all being done covertly and the government doesn't attempt to be transparent about what is going on with the immigrants. I have seen on What do They Know? that people have done requests about immigration to the Home Office under the Freedom of Information Act and they refuse to provide any information.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/home_office

It is an example of Tory arrogance that they fail to enter into discussions with the Welsh and Scottish governments on this matter.

[SteveH]

I read these two articles today and wondered what on earth is going on in the UK       The first article is about denuine refugees who have been invited in to the UK,  While the second article is about illegal migrants who shouldn't be here in the first place,
Instead of having difficulty accommodating these illegals the latest Tory Home Secretary should be working on processing these illegal migrants and returning them home
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/couple-who-fled-war-ukraine-25489483
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/conwy-not-alone-britains-councils-25487876

The first article made me laugh.... Couple who fled war in Ukraine are moving back due to 'terrible' UK housing options
The couple said they were met with poor housing conditions, high costs and rental requirements they could not meet

[Helig]

There was an article in yesterday's paper which mentioned The Great Replacement Theory. I hadn't heard of this and have had a quick look at it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

It is being dismissed as a right wing conspiracy.  I do wonder as from what I have seen where you are lucky to see a white face, or hear English spoken, in a number of places in the UK. The flood of immigrants coming here with no action being taken effectively suggests there is something going on.

[Ian]

Conspiracy theories are, in my experience, evidence of denuded mental capacity. Yes;  there has been an increase in illegal immigration but that's really to do with three factors: the dreadful conditions these people's real homes endure, the fact that most immigrants come from lands we or the French occupied for many years for the purposes of capturing slaves, and finally the greed of those arranging the transport, such as it is.

In terms of the 'flood' of immigrants arriving with no action being taken that's entirely down to the government, which is currently in the process of imploding, leaving little to no time for national security.

 

[Helig]

My view is that we should keep an open mind and not judge without being in full possession of the facts. The government is loathe to be transparent about the situation with regard to the immigrants entering the UK. There is evidence for this in the What Do They Know? site, they decline to respond to the requests to the Home Office regarding the immigrants entering the UK unlawfully. It is known that a large number of the immigrants are coming to the UK for economic reasons and do not qualify to live here. The UK cannot provide for all who think they would be better off living here. The slave trade was abolished many years ago and cannot be blamed for the current situation. Having so many enter the UK and manage to stay here, legally, or otherwise, it must act as a green light to the people who arrange for their transportation to the UK. Given the UK government has failed to remedy this for many years, it can be said to be colluding in this. The recent shenanigans have not helped but these government failures have existed for many years now will no real attempt to take action. Is there a hidden agenda here?

I read that Elon Musk has 12 children and he considers that it is the duty of white people to breed to ensure the survival of the white race.

It is dangerous to dismiss conspiracy theories as being promulgated by those with mental health issues. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy". Hamlet.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-is-the-problem

[Ian]

The slave trade was abolished many years ago and cannot be blamed for the current situation.

But surely our history as a society informs us and what we do? And my main point was that in establishing colonies where English became the default linguistic option, it raised an entire population  who grew up seeing the dominance of the white man and their language.

I read that Elon Musk has 12 children and he considers that it is the duty of white people to breed to ensure the survival of the white race.

Yep; he doesn't hide his far right allegiances.

It is dangerous to dismiss conspiracy theories as being promulgated by those with mental health issues. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy". Hamlet.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-is-the-problem

I suspect care needs to be taken when quoting Migrationwatch. It's hardly an independent source of facts and when it is praised by the subsequently jailed Tory MP, J Aitkin, it throws its stance into question.

I don't believe in conspiracies as a general rule; for me, anyway, Occams razor holds true. Overall, in general, governments of any colour are too inept to pursue conspiracies with any success. But that does not mean they don't pursue courses of action related to their overall political aims.

[SteveH]

More like an episode of [Yes Minister] ......................

The Home Office is blighted by delays in dealing with asylum claims, as inexperienced and low-paid staff are hired to handle applications, several insiders have told BBC Two's Newsnight.

Staff said this was slowing down decisions, leading to long, expensive hotel stays for asylum seekers.

Nearly 130,000 people are waiting for a decision, latest official figures for June 2022 show.

The Home Office said it was boosting the number of claims processed.

It comes as Home Secretary Suella Braverman is set to appear before the Home Affairs Select Committee later, where she will answer questions from MPs on asylum and immigration.

Three people who work in the department have spoken to Newsnight to warn about the impact on Home Office decisions being made about asylum seekers.

One person with several years of experience working in the department said: "To make and write decisions is more difficult than people think.

"They're hiring large numbers of inexperienced staff who need to be trained to do this and that takes time, so the backlog grows.

"And it's young staff facing these harrowing stories and earning low wages - so what's the incentive to stay?

"There isn't one? so they leave and then they hire someone else and so it continues."

According to the latest Home Office figures, by the end of June this year 127,026 asylum applications were still to be decided upon.

That is nearly four times the number of cases that were awaiting a decision by the end of June 2018, when 33,035 asylum applications were in the backlog.

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63720698

[Ian]

But this is, and always has been Tory policy; pay as little as possible so the minister can point to the numbers being hired and not the results being achieved. Trouble is they always forget the ancient maxim: pay peanuts and you get monkeys.

[Hugo]

In truth, the Tories have no idea how to deal with the immigration problem that they have helped to create,     The talk is only of processing asylum seekers.
Most of the illegal immigrants would probably  fail the process but then they are allowed to appeal against the decision and released back into the community with conditions attached
At what point are they going to deport all the migrants that have entered the UK illegally?

[Bri Roberts]

I wonder, Hugo, if the UK were to create their own definition of an asylum seeker then it might allow them to return many individuals without breaking any human rights laws?

[Hugo]

UK net migration hits all-time record at 504,000

Bri,  Australia already has a system and if the "migrant"  or visitor doesn't meet the criteria then they are sent back to their own country on the next available flight
That's not rocket science and not unreasonable either.    David Cameron allowed a vote on Brexit and the idea was that we could control our own borders and select who comes in.     Now just look at the fiasco that has been created by the Government's own making.
The UK has been a refuge for genuine refugees for many years but there is no way on earth that the tens of thousands of young Albanian men can honestly claim to be asylum seekers




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63743259