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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 09:46:38 am »
Of course we want this reform.

An electoral system like Italy's is exactly what we need.


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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 10:06:59 am »
 :D
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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 10:23:17 am »
It's going to be interesting ,however;  Australia has used AV for more than 90 years. It has resulted in just one hung parliament in 38 elections. First past the post in Britain produced hung parliaments last year, in February 1974, in 1923 and 1929 and twice in 1910. It has also produced parliaments which became as good as hung after the elections of 1950, October 1974 and 1992.

Maybe we really need STV :-))
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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2011, 04:46:34 pm »
It would definitely be to the benefit of an Independent Candidate !!

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 10:52:52 am »
It's going to be interesting ,however;  Australia has used AV for more than 90 years. It has resulted in just one hung parliament in 38 elections. First past the post in Britain produced hung parliaments last year, in February 1974, in 1923 and 1929 and twice in 1910. It has also produced parliaments which became as good as hung after the elections of 1950, October 1974 and 1992.

From what I've seen in my liftime, ALL Parliaments need to be hung!      _))*

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 12:00:57 pm »
 :D :D :D
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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 12:14:51 pm »
Politicians are like nappies, they require to be changed regularly, And for the same reason,   :D
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 07:14:18 pm »
Quiggs!  A man of few words.... but when he posts, its worth reading !!   Nice one...  L0L L0L
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 08:32:48 pm »
Oh that hurts!  _))* _))* _))*

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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2011, 03:25:56 pm »
We, the undersigned, have made donations to the cross-party NO to AV campaign. Like over a thousand donors, we support this campaign because the Alternative Vote is over-complicated, unfair and an expensive distraction from the more important challenges facing our country.

AV would give disproportionate influence to supporters of minority parties at the expense of the open and simple system we have at present. Our concern therefore is that a move to AV would undermine confidence in our electoral process.

Signed
Lord Leach – Chairman of the NO to AV campaign
Peter Cruddas – Co-Treasurer of the NO to AV campaign
Andrew Sells – Co-Treasurer of the NO to AV campaign
Parliamentary Labour Party First Past the Post Group
ASLEF – The Train Drivers’ Union
Community – The Union for Life
GMB – General Union
Lord Wolfson of Aspley Guise
Mick Davis
Lord Kirkham
Lord Sainsbury of Preston Candover KG
Lord Fink of Northwood
Andrew Cook
Mark McDonald – Human Rights Barrister & former candidate for Labour Party Treasurer

Matthew Elliott, Campaign Director of NO to AV, said:

    “The donors to the No campaign – drawn from many sources including private citizens, large and small businesses and trade unions – contrast with the two very large donors to the Yes campaign: the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust (the biggest single donors to the Liberal Democrats) and the Electoral Reform Society, which holds a near-monopoly on the administration, explanation and introduction of elections.”

    “The NO campaign were the first to announce that, in the interests of transparency, we would be declaring donations to our campaign ahead of the required date.”

    “The broad range of people supporting us contrasts with the narrow financial and political interests of the two large donors to the Yes to AV campaign. Now this information has been made public, voters can make their mind up about the motivations of those pushing for a change of our current voting system.”

     

The full list of donors of over £7,500 to the NO to AV campaign, that will be reported to the Electoral Commission as part of our Referendum campaign (see note 2), is as follows:
Peter Cruddas    400,000
Jonathan Wood    100,000
Michael Davis    100,000
Lord (John) Sainsbury    100,000
Michael Farmer    100,000
John Caudwell    75,000
Lord (Philip) Harris    75,000
Lord (Graham) Kirkham    75,000
FIL Investment Management Ltd    50,000
Mark Samworth    50,000
James Lyle    50,000
Sir Donald Gosling    50,000
John Spurling    50,000
The Funding Corporation Limited    50,000
IPGL Limited    50,000
Edwin Healey    50,000
David Mayhew    30,000
Christopher Rokos    30,000
Lord (Stanley) Fink    28,000
Andrew Sells    25,000
Lord (Charles G) Leach    25,000
Lord (Simon) Wolfson    25,000
Killik & Co LLP    25,000
JC Bamford Excavators Ltd    25,000
Ivor Braka    25,000
Lord (David) Wolfson    25,000
Jeremy Hosking    25,000
John Nash    25,000
Arbuthnot Banking Group plc    20,000
Nicholas Jenkins    20,000
Hugh Sloane    15,000
David Ord    10,000
Andrew Brannon    10,000
William Cook Holdings Ltd    10,000
Peter Hargreaves    10,000
Rhoderick Swire    10,000
Charles Caminada    10,000
Naguib Kheraj    10,000
GMB Union    10,000
Richard Hoare    10,000
Robin Fleming    10,000

 

Campaigners in the referendum must report their campaign spending to the Electoral Commission at the end of the referendum period. The Referendum campaign spending return must include the records of spending plus donations received over £7,500 that were used towards campaign spending. This will also include an independent auditor’s certificate.  This must be reported to the Commission within 6 months of the end of the referendum.
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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2011, 04:13:39 pm »
Without AV the minor parties, who do represent a proportion of the people, will never be heard or be able to help infuence the future course of the country.   Without political parties we would end up with a dictatorship.  With 2 parties we end up with massive swings from one set of policies to another.  With three there is a chance of decent representation.  With even more we end up with Democracy, even though the country may be run by a coalition.

As far as I am concerned this would result in good sensible policies, a stable Government and a stable and successful country.    ZXZ
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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2011, 05:05:00 pm »
 I'm always suspicious of anyone who gives money on these occasions. You don't give good money for owt. What's the hidden reason?
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Re: Voting reform or not?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2011, 06:32:40 pm »
Not in Yorkshire anyway!     Z**
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