Robert Roberts born 1893 Llandudno

[Hugo]

I haven't looked at that Phil as I've left it to Jeff.      It's good to have tips like that as sometimes you can over look the obvious

[Jeff]

Phil--- There are just so many  Robert Roberts born around that time it is hard to pick one out.
 Yes Hugo Dec quarter 1893

[Hugo]

Jeff,  do you know where Ethel Katie Roberts was born?

[Jeff]

 Yes ---1 Pembroke Villa, New Street, Llandudno, the New part is hard to read

[Jeff]

Hello If any one has Robert Roberts born 1869 father Robert  occ tailor widower and Elizabeth Jones born 1867 father John Jones married 1917 I have there marriage cert; if any one wants it

[Hugo]

Yes ---1 Pembroke Villa, New Street, Llandudno, the New part is hard to read

Thanks Jeff, the reason I asked that was because I had been looking at a 1911 Census and there was a Robert Roberts there who was a possibility apart from a couple of things, one being that he was born in Llangystenin and not Llandudno.    Back to square one again!

The 1911 Census was carried out on 2nd April 1911 so Robert would have been 17 then

[Hugo]

I don't subscribe to anything so I go to the Archives when I want to see Census records.   However I can get some info free but the vital bits you have to pay for.
Having said that I put the information that we know about Robert in and there were only two Roberts out of 66 that matched in the 1911 Census, both were in the Conway Registration District
Have you had a copy of Robert's birth certificate or know for certain where he was born?

[Jeff]

No I have not, but will order one over the week end, but it will take at least 2 weeks to come. Ancestry is free this week will have a look to see if any one has him in there tree

[Jeff]

Just having a look at the 1911 census for Robert the Robert that is living with Wm and Mary Ann Roberts is down as nephew but if you go back 10 years he is now a son to head of the house

[Hugo]

No I have not, but will order one over the week end, but it will take at least 2 weeks to come. Ancestry is free this week will have a look to see if any one has him in there tree

I did have a look at the link that is free this weekend but as per usual if you want to see the full Census details you have to subscribe to it.
I looked at quite a few records and I think that the system is flawed as it has the ages of everyone I looked at  born in 1893 as 18 in the 1911 Census.
The Census was carried out on 2nd April 1911 so the law of averages would say that 75 per cent of the people on the Census should be only 17
I'll wait until I go to the Archives to see the full picture and by the way Jeff there is a PDF of the birth certificate available for about £6.00

[Jeff]

I have ordered the birth cert;

 Below is the entry on the 1939 register. I had it wrong with the marriage cert; BDM  records show the mothers name was Williams. On the same site marriage Sept; 1918 Roberts Robert --first name of the lady is  not shown ?       Williams    Conway    11b   762 What I am tring to say when you look who else was married that day one name is missing
Robert Roberts 12 Nov 1893
This record is officially closed.
Elizabeth Roberts 6 Dec 1898
This record is officially closed.
William Roberts 4 Aug 1925  from the bdm site   Roberts    William J    Williams    Conway    11b   745
Eric Roberts 6 Sep 1931Caernarvon, Caernarvonshire,       from the bdm site Roberts    Eric    Williams    Conway    11b   672

Hope you can understand all that ------- Would it be worth while and send for one of the children's birth cert,?

[Hugo]

Jeff, at the moment I wouldn't send away for any certificates until you are absolutely certain that you have the right person,    It's frustrating but costly if you get the wrong ones too.   
If you are correct with Robert Roberts then he left the area sometime between 1925 and 1931 so there could be records like Baptism ones in the Conwy Archives but it means searching around and hoping for some luck.
I've an idea and will follow it up when I go to the Archives

[Hugo]

Jeff,  I was at the Conwy Archives today and had a look at the Baptism records for Llangystennin and St Paul's Church Craig Y Don and there were no entries there for your Roberts family.
I have now looked at all the Baptism records for Llandudno and the nearby towns of Deganwy, Llandudno Junction and Llanrhos and found nothing at all which is strange.

I then tried the Wales Census records for 1911 and put the criteria of birth 1893 and Llandudno as place of birth but again nothing turned up for your Robert
I then tried the England Census for 1911 using the same criteria and again nothing turned up

So in effect I've just come up against a brick wall and will have to give up on this unless something else comes up

One coincidence came up in the 1911 England Census and that there was a Robert Roberts born in 1893 and his birthplace was Great Ness.   That's where William, Catherine's father was born.    Sorry that I couldn't find out anything for you

[Hugo]

By the way in the England 1911 Census Robert Roberts born 1893 in Great Ness was living in Blackpool and working as a groom

[Jeff]

Thank you Hugo
 For all your time and effort, hopefully sometime may turn up
 All the best
       Jeff