European Union Vote

[Ian]

If you're still undecided , this may help.  It's 24 minutes long but worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y&app=desktop

[Hugo]

I've watched part of it and will listen to the whole 24 minutes before voting but there are always two sides to any argument such as:-

The one thing professor Michael Dougan, of Liverpool University, seems less than keen to reveal is that he is holder of a Jean Monnet chair at the university. It's not that he keeps it a secret – just that he doesn't make a point of declaring it.

However, that means his post is supported by EU funds, typically worth €50,000 over three years. And, while post-holders deny bias, they are in effect paid agents of the EU.

Dougan's recent intervention in the EU Referendum debate, therefore, is of some significance, and especially when he is accusing the leave campaign of "dishonesty on an industrial scale".

[DaveR]

I've watched part of it and will listen to the whole 24 minutes before voting but there are always two sides to any argument such as:-

The one thing professor Michael Dougan, of Liverpool University, seems less than keen to reveal is that he is holder of a Jean Monnet chair at the university. It's not that he keeps it a secret – just that he doesn't make a point of declaring it.

However, that means his post is supported by EU funds, typically worth €50,000 over three years. And, while post-holders deny bias, they are in effect paid agents of the EU.

Dougan's recent intervention in the EU Referendum debate, therefore, is of some significance, and especially when he is accusing the leave campaign of "dishonesty on an industrial scale".

There's always an agenda, isn't there?

Interesting how all the big banks, the ones that Ian constantly reminds us were responsible for landing us all in big trouble a few years ago, desperately want to REMAIN in the EU.

I think it's time to say goodbye to this failed attempt at a socialist superstate...

[Ian]

Interesting how all the big banks, the ones that Ian constantly reminds us were responsible for landing us all in big trouble a few years ago, desperately want to REMAIN in the EU.

Yep - along with Rupert Murdoch, Baron Rothsmere and the Barclays who want us out. The only thing they have in common is that none pays Tax in the UK and all own some of the biggest national daily newspapers. As you say, there's always an agenda.


Well, there is one major point: if we leave it's irrevocable. They certainly wouldn't welcome us back in. But if we remain then we can always pull out at another point if the wheels come off.

I think it's time to stay in but really change the EU from inside.

[Fester]

Say NO!   To Boris Johnson. 

[SteveH]

Well, there is one major point: if we leave it's irrevocable. They certainly wouldn't welcome us back in. But if we remain then we can always pull out at another point if the wheels come off.

I think it's time to stay in but really change the EU from inside.

I think both your statements above are extremely important ... we can leave anytime but getting back in ? ? ? ?
and I think we have frightened Europe and maybe this will give us a stronger voice for the future.

[Bosun]

Like many on this forum I have followed this election and the debates with worry and concern. The repercussions, right or wrong, will last for generations and we are voting for the future of the UK. I have been saddened by the tone of some of the arguments and the Brexit campaign appealing to the lowest common denominators of our society, as I have by the fear tactics of the Remain campaign. I am appalled by both the xenophobic rhetoric and the bureaucratic nightmare of the EU. 

I really did think long and hard about which way to vote, and listened intently to the possibilities of the UK as a 'stand alone' trading nation, and the future within the EU. One person who I have met and who is a wholly decent, honest, hugely experienced politician (not words often heard together) is John Major and I was influenced by what he has had to say. And, the longer that this campaign has gone on, the less convinced I became by Boris Johnson, and I have to say, his motley bunch of cohorts. (Kate Hoey might have been an excellent athlete, but she's a rubbish politician.)

I think that you can guess where my X went......  let's change things from the inside, not shout through the letterbox.

[Big Alan]

IN. Boris as the PM would screw the A*** out of Liverpool!

[DaveR]

if we remain then we can always pull out at another point if the wheels come off.

Hardly the most compelling argument to remain! 

[SDQ]

if we remain then we can always pull out at another point if the wheels come off.

Hardly the most compelling argument to remain! 

It's good enough for me!

[Bosun]

if we remain then we can always pull out at another point if the wheels come off.

Hardly the most compelling argument to remain! 

It's good enough for me!

If we leave, and the EU works, do you think that they will let us in again as easily as we can leave it goes t*ts up?

[Fester]

I'm up all night watching the referendum results flooding in, it's thrilling and worrying in equal measure.
It's amazing how Wales as a majority (55%) want out, nearly 63% of English voters want out, BUT, the massive amount of voters in inner London want to remain. So that skews the running total to a huge degree.
The close result , and it's nearly 50/50 at the moment with 40% of the votes in, conceals a massively divided UK, geographically and socially.
It's edging toward a LEAVE result as I write this, but I can't help wondering what the new leadership will do to heal these deep divisions which have been unleashed by all this.
Not going to bed til this is concluded.

[poppy]

Has me hooked too. Leave edging ahead with 52% 

[Fester]

I'm also watching the Forex and stock markets, massive falls, really scary stuff.
With exchange rates plummeting like this, we can expect everything from foreign holidays to food on supermarket shelves to start costing more!
Be careful what you wish for, you 'Leavers'

[poppy]

Early victory speech from Farage