I have now found Elizabeth in the 1891 Census and she is living at 3 High Street Conwy with her sisters Mary and Jane. They are all described as shoe boot makers but their place of birth is given as Conway so there is no proof that that Elizabeth is the Elizabeth that I have seen in the Register of births.
I have tried and tried to find William in the 1891 Census record but cannot find him in the Caernarfonshire or Denbighshire records perhaps you may have had better luck than me.
Hi Hugo,
I did send an email to the Gwynedd Archives about the 1930 Register of Electors. Their response was to send a reference to the form they referred you to (and subsequently posted to this thread).
I have been trying to validate all of my assumptions which in turn, has led to a tantalising possibility. Firstly, the following has (as far as I can determine from the information availablefrom FindMyPast) been confirmed:
1911 Census - Confirmed
1905 Marriage Certificate - Confirmed
1901 Census - Confirmed
An initial search of the 1891 Census did not highlight anything definitive. One entry listed a William Davies as having the correct birth town but an incorrect birth date (1885). A forward search showed this William still living with the Father on the property in 1901 so is ruled out due to the 1901 Census record confirmed above.
An initial search of the 1881 Census showed only two possibilities:
1. A William Davies aged 5 living with his grandparents. The age is incorrect but the birth place is a match.
2. A William Davies aged 4 (correct age), having the correct birth place. However, a father is listed. William had a number of siblings listed in this Census.
Given the above are the only two possibilities, I used a less restrictive criteria to again search the 1891 Census and found a match to the second of the two 1881 Census possibilities. The match was consistent (in the main) to the parents and sibling listed in the 1881 record and showed that the family had moved to Mold, Chesire. William’s father was Richard Davies and his mother was Dorothy. However, no potential matches were found for possibility one as listed above.
I also decided that only one of the four Birth Certificates I ordered seemed to be a match with the birth year and birth town. The parent’s names were Richard Davies and Dorothy Davies, formerly Williams. This information was consistent with the second possibility identified in the 1881 Census. Following this family forwards indicates that Richard Davies died in 1891 (post 1891 Census). This 1891 Census record contains the only definitive record of a William Davies that can be matched up to the other records above.
One anomaly appears to be the record of a William Davies living with his grandparents on the night of the 1881 Census which has not been able to add any definitive information to this search. However, the grandparents had a son, Richard Davies who was born around the same time as the Richard Davies listed as William’s father. One inconsistency is that William’s father Richard is listed as being born in Ruthin Denbighshire (one record only), but as the son of the grandparents listed in the 1881 Census is listed as having a birth town of Eglwysfach, Denbighshire.
I guess the next step is to order a copy of the marriage certificate of Richard Davies and Dorothy Williams to confirm whether a relationship exists between that Richard and the ‘Grandparents’ of the 1881 Census record listinf William Davies as the Grandson. Although this would indicate that William has been listed twice in the 1881 Census, it may well have been a misjudgement on the part of his parents or grandparents as to whether he should be included or not.
The above scenario seems to be the only one that fits the records available. As usual, I welcome any comments or advice on these suppositions.
Regards to all, Hugh