Oscar

[born2run]

Yeah if you watch the parliment video he mentions him and his case being prejudiced by Oscar.

The reason Bebb didn't come across at all well was because he talked about a long history of Oscar making slander and accusations against his constituents. Yet it was only when Oscar made an attack, albeit a small one, against him that he did ANYTHING about it. Not just anything mind you - he reported it to the police, had the blog shut down and brought it to parliament. What an absolutely self obsessed maniacal tosser he is 

Whatever you think of the blog in general, this Guto Plebb is no hero for getting it shut down.

[born2run]

Just to keep Ian happy. I must clarify that the above statement is all my opinion that I think and is in no way an assertion or a fact or a law or anything else. Just what I think of my elected parliamentary representative 

[Greyhound]

I think he spoke well actually and I am tired of people saying this needs to be treated delicately. Thoughts of Oscar was a vindictive piece of trash that went after whoever it felt like with impunity. Did people ever defend the poison pen letter of old as being 'free speech' - no they didn't. Freedom of speech deserves the right of reply and Oscar never gave people that right because he/they was/were anonymous. If these people are involved then there's no 'shooting in the head' about it, they deserve to be exposed and held to account for the pain they've caused many people over the years.  I felt a lot of points he raised about North Wales Police slowness to act were valid.

It's ironic that despite all the stick Oscar gave some people that when the shoe's on the other foot, it's a completely different story. Oscar began all those years ago as a valid and wry way of scrutinising local matters, but developed into a site where the authors seemed to believe that they were judge, jury and executioner over everyone who stepped on their toes, imaginary or otherwise. 

By the way, before anyone asks, I was never mentioned on there, but my opinions have been formed from following the site and viewing comments over several years.   

[Yorkie]

I'm amazed at how much trouble Guto Bebb has gone to, something must have rattled him big time!

Most of the work was done by Mr Creamer who employed the services of legal advice and private investigators.  It was virtually handed on a plate to Bebb.  However with a full confession from one particular person the case is now wide open.   ZXZ

Is this the Mr Creamer you're talking about?
http://www.professionaladviser.com/ifaonline/news/2072298/mortgage-fraudsters-hit-gbp540-fine

As I do not personally know Mr Creamer, I do not know if he is the one or not and am only able quote from the information I have available.   Are you saying that it IS the same Mr Creamer?
 

[DaveR]

I'm amazed at how much trouble Guto Bebb has gone to, something must have rattled him big time!

Most of the work was done by Mr Creamer who employed the services of legal advice and private investigators.  It was virtually handed on a plate to Bebb.  However with a full confession from one particular person the case is now wide open.   ZXZ

Is this the Mr Creamer you're talking about?
http://www.professionaladviser.com/ifaonline/news/2072298/mortgage-fraudsters-hit-gbp540-fine

As I do not personally know Mr Creamer, I do not know if he is the one or not and am only able quote from the information I have available.   Are you saying that it IS the same Mr Creamer?
 

I've no idea who he is, which is why I asked the question.  You referred to him, so I thought you would know who he is? 

[Nemesis]

All I will say on the subject is KARMA.

[Yorkie]

Guto Bebb referred to him in his address in parliament and he is mentioned on other Blogs, Forums and other Social web sites.

I believe Guto Bebb also mentioned than Mr Creamer was not an "angel" himself.   Perhaps, it is indeed the same individual, but having paid his dues to Society, I see no reason to bring the case up again, unless one wishes to make a particular point that is relevant to the discussion.
 ZXZ

[DaveR]

Oscar began all those years ago as a valid and wry way of scrutinising local matters, but developed into a site where the authors seemed to believe that they were judge, jury and executioner over everyone who stepped on their toes, imaginary or otherwise. 

I agree that the Oscar blog certainly lost its way over the years. I've said several times on here that I felt that, on many occasions, serious points raised about local issues were being devalued by mindless and inane comments.

[born2run]

A lot of that was the empty heads who commented though that's not Oscar's fault.

It was an interesting read at times whether morally right or not.

[Greyhound]

Oscar tacitly accepted those comments by publishing them though and he was all too prone to going 'off on one' himself when he felt like it. 

[Yorkie]

It was an interesting read at times whether morally right or not.

Not if you and your family were on the receiving end of some of those comments as I was on many occasions.  However, like Shylock, I will now have my pound of flesh!  And maybe a little bit more!
 

[born2run]

So just like GB you are only interested because you were getting stick?

I think if you're going to take the moral high ground you should do it anyway not just because it involves yourself.

Funnily enough Oscar used to have this little ditty on the top right of his blog.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[SDQ]

It was an interesting read at times whether morally right or not.

Not if you and your family were on the receiving end of some of those comments as I was on many occasions.  However, like Shylock, I will now have my pound of flesh!  And maybe a little bit more!
 

Let he who is without sin...

[Yorkie]

So just like GB you are only interested because you were getting stick?

I think if you're going to take the moral high ground you should do it anyway not just because it involves yourself.

I can take any amount of stick, insults, or vindictive comments.  I have my own way of dealing with such.

However, when it starts involving my wife and family, I do not like it as they are not in a position to defend themselves.  I have known for a long time that Nigel was behind Oscar, as indeed many others knew.  Without proof there was little one could do either with the Police or such as Google and Twitter.
Many of us also know the names of those who have fed information or otherwise assisted in writing the trash and vindictive comments on Oscar's Blog.

Now there is a public admission of guilt it will be a simple matter to take the matter either for a Criminal or Civil prosecution.  I do not suppose I will be the only one.

[Yorkie]

Let he who is without sin...

Oh, I'm a Sinner alright, with a capital S.

I am reminded how defensive you were recently when I mentioned one of your relatives.  I am just as protective, if that's a Sin then I'm guilty Mi'lud.

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