National politics

[Ian]

But did they not have a right to repudiate his attempt to smear them by lying? He lied. He claimed there were no seats and the train was 'ram packed'. By the most generous definition that means there were no seats. Which there were. So - was it right for JC to lie?

[born2run]

In keeping with the JC theme of your last post - I would say it wasn't so much a 'lie' as a parable.
Trains are packed full every single weekend - I have seen it myself, I have no problem with him illustrating this message.

[Bosun]

In keeping with the JC theme of your last post - I would say it wasn't so much a 'lie' as a parable.
Trains are packed full every single weekend - I have seen it myself, I have no problem with him illustrating this message.

B2R, you are plumbing the hilarious depths of mirth now in your attempts to justify your blind faith in Corbyn. At least it's keeping us amused.....

[born2run]

In keeping with the JC theme of your last post - I would say it wasn't so much a 'lie' as a parable.
Trains are packed full every single weekend - I have seen it myself, I have no problem with him illustrating this message.

B2R, you are plumbing the hilarious depths of mirth now in your attempts to justify your blind faith in Corbyn. At least it's keeping us amused.....

There must be a lot of people with 'blind' faith then. Including 77% of the Aberconwy Labour Party.

[Bosun]

In keeping with the JC theme of your last post - I would say it wasn't so much a 'lie' as a parable.
Trains are packed full every single weekend - I have seen it myself, I have no problem with him illustrating this message.

B2R, you are plumbing the hilarious depths of mirth now in your attempts to justify your blind faith in Corbyn. At least it's keeping us amused.....

There must be a lot of people with 'blind' faith then. Including 77% of the Aberconwy Labour Party.

Do you all see the same counsellor?

[Hugo]

There must be a lot of people with 'blind' faith then. Including 77% of the Aberconwy Labour Party.

Even if there were 100% of the Aberconwy Labour Party backing Jeremy Corbyn  it wouldn't make any difference to what has been said on here many times.
The Labour Party under the leadership of Corbyn,  is on the road to nowhere.    He hasn't got the basic competence to be a world leader and the sooner he realises it the better,
If he does win the contest for the Labour leadership,  then from a political point of view Teresa May should call an immediate General Election and it would mean annihilation for the Labour Party.
I certainly don't want that to happen, do you?

[Ian]

I would say it wasn't so much a 'lie' as a parable. Trains are packed full every single weekend - I have seen it myself, I have no problem with him illustrating this message.

So just to get this clear, then, you're happy for any political leader to tell downright lies as long as they call them parables?

[Bosun]

I would say it wasn't so much a 'lie' as a parable. Trains are packed full every single weekend - I have seen it myself, I have no problem with him illustrating this message.

So just to get this clear, then, you're happy for any political leader to tell downright lies as long as they call them parables?

As in the parable of the Weapons of Mass Destruction.......?

[born2run]

I would say it wasn't so much a 'lie' as a parable. Trains are packed full every single weekend - I have seen it myself, I have no problem with him illustrating this message.

So just to get this clear, then, you're happy for any political leader to tell downright lies as long as they call them parables?

Hang on Iansun

JC didn't call them parables I did, albeit lightheartedly.
Don't forget the WOMAD mess was Mr Blair - would you prefer another snake leader like him?

[Ian]

Sorry;  I didn't quite catch your answer. If I drop the 'parable', then, can I assume you're happy for any political leader to tell downright lies?

[born2run]

Sorry;  I didn't quite catch your answer. If I drop the 'parable', then, can I assume you're happy for any political leader to tell downright lies?

It's not a downright lie. The trains are in a mess. Do you use trains Ian?

[Ian]

It's not a downright lie. The trains are in a mess. Do you use trains Ian?

My favourite form of transport, B2R. But when you say

It's not a downright lie.

where JC

claimed there were no seats and the train was 'ram packed'. By the most generous definition that means there were no seats. Which there were.

I'm not sure I can see that there was any truth whatsoever in his comment.  And that makes it a lie.

So - is it permissible for any politician to Lie in support of their cause? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

[Fester]

Yes.
It's what we pay them for.

[born2run]

Yes

Sometimes it's necessary to 'lie' for various different and valid reasons.

[Hugo]

Yes

Sometimes it's necessary to 'lie' for various different and valid reasons.

   

A paragraph from the Morning Star

Then there’s honesty. An honest politician would make most of us laugh until we cried.
But Corbyn’s honest and open approach when looking at the way forward, when giving us his vision of a Labour Britain under his leadership, has connected with Labour members aged 16 to 105.

I'm afraid that the Red Flag will be flying at half mast if the loony left carry on as they have been doing.

And here's the rest of the article from the Commies Comic newspaper

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