Roads in the area

[SteveH]

Maps of North Wales roads - including the A55 - that will be exempt from 20mph limit
The Welsh Government and three North Wales councils have so far published their exception lists

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/maps-north-wales-roads-including-27306283

[norman08]

Wonder if they have thought who is going to police this. 🤔.  They have 20 mph on the estate in Llandudno nobody adheres to that.

[Hugo]

I see  that Conwy has not yet published a list of the roads affected, but it'll be interesting to see how it affects the main North to South Wales road, the A470
The A470 passes through Blaenau Ffestiniog but there shouldn't be a problem there as even on a good day you won't get up to 20 mph on that congested strip,

[DVT]

Welsh government have spent ?33 million of our money to implement the 20mph limits  ... so they'll be all out to get that that back, although I doubt we will be reimbursed.

The money would have been far better spent on repairing the roads to make them safer to drive on, whether by swerving or cars being damaged due to potholes.

Keep your eyes on the road ahead, and not on your dashboard.

[SteveH]

I tried driving from pier to pier at 20mph and this is what happened
New default 20mph speed limit on restricted roads in Wales is only 63 days away

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tried-driving-pier-pier-20mph-27311636

[DVT]

OK, he drove at those speeds ... but fails to make any mention of how much extra fuel he used by being in a lower gear (and admits his 1.4 engine was struggling) ... or how much extra nasty gases his car put into the atmosphere, causing health issues as well as making global warming hotter.  Those are things that many bleat on about trying to decrease.

[DVT]

That's ?33M (Thirty-three MILLION pounds) that would be far better spent on the NHS.

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/23657876.welsh-government-give-councils-millions-20mph-switch/

As you would expect, most of the money is not coming to north Wales.

You cannot blame the Conservatives (who seem to get criticised for everything else on this forum) for this total waste of money by the Welsh Labour party, who then moan that the UK government don't give them enough for more important things.

Don't know if this is true, but I have read somewhere that Drakeford doesn't drive!

[Ian]

 

The Tories might get blamed, DVT, but that's only because they're responsible for financial allocations. This is the most recent table of percentage allocations:


    Scotland: ?13,881 (17% above the UK average)
    Wales: ?13,401 (13% above the UK average)
    Northern Ireland: ?14,062 (18% above the UK average).

It's clear to see two things immediately: of the three devolved nations of the UK, Wales gets 4 - 5% less than Scotland and N Ireland. Of course, Wales is the only country that has been predominantly Labour for some years.

It's also worth examining the "13% above the UK average)" claim: there's a significant disparity between the areas of England. London has the highest allocation and East Midland the lowest.

In general, however, I agree, that the 33M should absolutely be spent on the NHS, although they need more like several billion.

[norman08]

DVT. Drakeford does drive but has opted to ride his E bike for personal and round his constituency when he can.   I?m in favour of the 20.  But who is going to police it. 🤔. We haven?t enough police round here as it is. 

[SteveH]

Speed limit set to be cut on A470 dual carriageway in Llandudno
A campaign has been run to improve safety on a section of the road

This comes after a safety campaign following the death of Finnley Jones on this stretch last year. Mrs Finch-Saunders met officials from North Wales Police (NWP) and Conwy County Borough Council (CCBC) at the site.

Conway Road will reduce from 40 mph to 30 mph in September.
NWP will conduct further speed surveys once the new speed limit is in place.
CCBC will investigate adjustment to the radar speed camera currently in operation so that it displays either a capped speed or a safety message once the speed limit is exceeded, rather than the drivers? actual speed.
CCBC to work in partnership with Transport for Wales towards Active Travel improvements which will impact Conway Road

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/speed-limit-set-cut-a470-27370541?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589

[Dave]

Speed limit set to be cut on A470 dual carriageway in Llandudno
A campaign has been run to improve safety on a section of the road

This comes after a safety campaign following the death of Finnley Jones on this stretch last year. Mrs Finch-Saunders met officials from North Wales Police (NWP) and Conwy County Borough Council (CCBC) at the site.

Conway Road will reduce from 40 mph to 30 mph in September.
NWP will conduct further speed surveys once the new speed limit is in place.
CCBC will investigate adjustment to the radar speed camera currently in operation so that it displays either a capped speed or a safety message once the speed limit is exceeded, rather than the drivers? actual speed.
CCBC to work in partnership with Transport for Wales towards Active Travel improvements which will impact Conway Road

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/speed-limit-set-cut-a470-27370541?IYA-reg=49560bcd-5a9c-47f0-8fc5-ba2e71710589

It's nearly 13 years ago since I started this thread, motivated by an accident at the very spot that claimed another life last year. I may well be incorrect but the only notable accidents on this stretch of road I'm aware of have all involved cars travelling well over the 40mph limit. Will reducing it to 30mph make any difference? I don't think so. Would having a speed camera instead of one that flags up your speed have saved a life ( as was suggested 13 years ago) . In my humble opinion , probably.

[Hugo]

Maps of the Conwy roads that will stay 30mph after new default 20mph limit comes in
The local authority has published its list of 'exception' roads


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/maps-conwy-roads-stay-30mph-27399871

[Dave]

I'm all in favour of appropriate speed restrictions but I think those who stick to the new 20 mph limits will find it very frustrating. Perhaps the idea is to try and keep speeds down to well under 30mph in the majority of places and clamp down hard on those that are dangerous? On the other hand some of the current places the Arrive Alive vans are parked look more like money traps than life savers to me.

[Hugo]

I've not long driven past a car crash at the King's Drive and Oak Drive cross roads in Colwyn Bay.     It looks like both the cars involved are potential write offs but there were no Police or ambulances at the scene so I hope that no one was seriously hurt in the crash

[Dave]

I've not long driven past a car crash at the King's Drive and Oak Drive cross roads in Colwyn Bay.     It looks like both the cars involved are potential write offs but there were no Police or ambulances at the scene so I hope that no one was seriously hurt in the crash

I think that road is an accident black spot yet further up they maintain the 30mph limit at the near blind entry across the Old Highway it appears.