National pride

[born2run]

Thanks to my good friend and the very best Darts player Z**! Fester for suggesting I put this in here as we were discussing it before and I must say I do find it interesting

The attached picture, was taken outside of the Carlton tonight. As I walked past I had to double take and thing for a second if I was actually still in Wales  (I travel a lot)

But no I am in Wales and there it is a poster advertising tonights England v Wales football game
With an English flag background!!! 

Not an English and Welsh flag mind, that I would find perfectly acceptable. But JUST the English flag.

It got me wondering if the posters they have outside Pubs in England have just the Welsh flag 
I very much doubt it. In fact I doubt there are very few places in the world where you would find a poster advertising the match with the oppositions flag on it!

Now I know a lot of English people live here and that's fair enough, I respect them and their team. But this is still WALES
There are a lot of Pakistani people living in England but I doubt they'd think it acceptable to walk past a pub advertising the Pakistan v England cricket match draped by a huge Pakistan flag.

I'm genuinely astonished and wondering what the hell the Carlton were thinking

So

Am I overreacting or do I have a point?

[dwsi]

you are not overreacting and you do have a valid point. i remember the 'one stop' in west shore one world/euro cup finals draped in english flags and i know quite a few english/welsh speaking welsh people now boycott that shop.

 

[Fester]

I am English by birth, but I choose to live in Wales, (and I love Wales)
So, when I watched the match tonight, in between darts games against Born to Run, I was urging Wales to score.
I wanted Wales to win.... that felt right to me.

Now, that poster has a common denominator, it was advertising TWO England games I suppose, but it is still wrong... very wrong, to only display the English flag in the middle of Wales.   What are they thinking??

[DaveR]

It's another example of a Crappy PubCo's marketing dept, who are based in Luton and are probably blissfully unaware that they may own Pubs outside of Eng-ur-lund.

The Carlton is owned by Stonegate Pubs, who also own Yates and The Old Glan in Bangor locally. I bet the England poster wasn't displayed in Bangor! 

http://www.stonegatepubs.com/

[born2run]

It's another example of a Crappy PubCo's marketing dept, who are based in Luton and are probably blissfully unaware that they may own Pubs outside of Eng-ur-lund.

The Carlton is owned by Stonegate Pubs, who also own Yates and The Old Glan in Bangor locally. I bet the England poster wasn't displayed in Bangor! 

http://www.stonegatepubs.com/

Damm I was in Bangor today on a Union course. I would have checked if I'd have known, however I'm sure I wouldn't have been surprised not to see one 

[Michael]

Back in the World cup days 2006 the Queens in Llanrwst of all places went to town with the English flags and bunting. It never gets ANY customers (dont how or why it keeps open) so the "Landlord" (if you can call him that) honestly didnt know he was doing anything wrong.  But it did'nt take long before people who lived around there told him if he didnt want to wake up to a burning ex pub he had better go easy on the celebrations.  Knowing him vaguely I can believe that it never crossed his mind that he wasent in England!!!!   People like him just think that Wales is just some sort of County, like say Essex and Kent, and they are not at all sure were the border is in any case.

[Fester]

I raised this issue with the manageress of The Carlton when I passed this morning.
She was hauling the sign inside.
Being English myself made it a bit ironic, but I just thought it was wrong.

It is fair to say by her response that she didn't care a jot, didn't really understand the point I was making, and just regaled me with how delighted she was that they now have Sky football in the pub.
Then she admitted that she didn't even see the game and didn't know the result!

Born to Run, you need to keep off those Union courses, they can warp your mind!

[Dwyforite]

fester are you sure there is not a bit of HIRAETH coming through,i think if you did a search on your own family tree you would find a distant welsh relative.

[Fester]

Actually you are correct Dwyforite,

My Grandma's maiden name was Davey, and she was born in Wales. 
On my other Grandma's side, she was a Murphy,  so I reckon I could CHOOSE whether I play football for Wales or Ireland.
If only I wasn't so crap at football!

[Dwyforite]

im the same a bowen on the welsh side and a sullivan on the irish side,so when wales play ireland at the rugby,a tricolor in one hand and a welsh dragon in the other

[born2run]

I raised this issue with the manageress of The Carlton when I passed this morning.
She was hauling the sign inside.
Being English myself made it a bit ironic, but I just thought it was wrong.

It is fair to say by her response that she didn't care a jot, didn't really understand the point I was making, and just regaled me with how delighted she was that they now have Sky football in the pub.
Then she admitted that she didn't even see the game and didn't know the result!

Born to Run, you need to keep off those Union courses, they can warp your mind!

Thanks Fester 

I think I know the manager you mean, doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
I've always thought that place would be flippant at best with regards to customer's views.
For example they had a pool table in the winter (for when they were funded as they put it by "locals")
But made it quite clear that come summer time they would be getting rid of it to put out more food tables for the tourists and F the locals!!

Also I don't think showing SKY is especially going to do them an awful lot of good.
About ten years ago and before (as Wetherspoons was opening - the clue is here) There was massive crowds watching football in Pubs - Beer wasn't that expensive and SKY was. But slowly all the main pubs that would be packed for the games stopped showing football because they couldn't afford it (Cross Keys and Fountains being the main two) then Club 147 opened. This killed it completely - People either went to watch it there (with all the atmosphere of a library) or got Sky Sports at home. I'd be surprised to see this culture ever change in town

[Trojan]

 

[Fester]

Another very interesting statistic from the 2011 Census.

Of all the people who ticked the box saying they were WELSH,  only 10% of them also considered themselves BRITISH.

[Yorkie]

Of all the people who ticked the box saying they were WELSH,  only 10% of them also considered themselves BRITISH.

We're there any figures saying how many people who considered themselves as being Welsh, could NOT speak, write or understand English?

[Hugo]

Of all the people who ticked the box saying they were WELSH,  only 10% of them also considered themselves BRITISH.

We're there any figures saying how many people who considered themselves as being Welsh, could NOT speak, write or understand English?

I don't know if there are any figures for that but the Census does show that in the UK in 4% of households no one spoke English as their first language. In addition, London had 37% of its residents born outside of the UK and in Chelsea and Kensington more than four in ten people do not hold UK passports.   Immigration has certainly had its effect on the various countries of the UK.