great orme cemetery

[suepp]

this is from the 1851 census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8861&path=Caernarvonshire.Llandudno.ALL.2b.6

[suepp]

to put it in context, here is the page before
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8861&path=Caernarvonshire.Llandudno.ALL.2b.5
and the page after
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8861&path=Caernarvonshire.Llandudno.ALL.2b.7

[SDQ]

The links don't work unless you subscribe to the site, they're locked out on my computer.

[emma p]

mine too 

[suepp]

whoops! - here are the properties in order - i.e. pages 5, 6 & 7 and head of households

Tanynant,  Mary Foulkes
Tanrhwylfa, John Davies - Farmer
Llwynon, John Jones
Llwynon, Hugh Jones
 Minfordd, Owen Jones
Rofft Bach, Ann Jones
Rofft, John Davies
Gate house, Hugh Hughes
Gate house, Margaret Davies
Gate house, John Davies
Tyn y Coed, Robert Jones - Farmer
Tyn y Coed, John Edwards
Llwynyrychain, Thomas Jones

Most occupations are Miners or other Trades

[Hugo]

Thanks Suepp for doing that and listing all those places.   It seems that there was a Rofft and Rofft Bach and probably very close to each other.
Chris Draper in his book "Llandudno before the hotels" mentions some of these places on pg 179.  Tyddynhwlfa for instance also operated as the Miner's Arms but John Davies continued to farm 17 acres of land well into the 1850's.

[suepp]

I couldn't find Rofft or Rofft Bach on the 1841 census, but there were  quite a few unnoccupied houses listed but not named in the area

[Hugo]

Sometimes the locations are not where you would expect them in the Census and also the rate books so it makes things hard to find.
I hope Emma has more luck with Mostyn Estates than I had.  I've sent e-mails to various people,firms etc  over the years and they are the only ones who have not had the courtesy to even bother replying to me.  I bet if there was any money involved then they would have replied immediately!
Last night I was looking at Chris Draper's book again and it mentioned on pg 229 about the small Baptist graveyard in Ffolt near Glanwydden that was opened about 1832 so that must be the one where Richard Roberts was buried.

[Nemesis]

Perhaps I had more luck with Mostyn Estates because the person I dealt with was a friend of a friend !

[Hugo]

You're very lucky Nemesis having friends in the know.   

[Yorkie]

I think it is probably easier if you just pop into the office which is above Glovers opposite the Post Office.  I have never found them anything but helpful.
 ££$

[emma p]

If only i could just pop into the Mostyn office.......if i could i would. Thanks anyway.
Ive not heard from them yet ?
Interesting info today. I was reading about Ffolt graveyard yesterday. Hugo, is that the one where Richard, Anne and Elizabeth are buried, the one you found and photographed ?
If you see the lady from the archives, Layla i think she said, could you pass on my thanks for the information. I was out when she rang back.
And, just to confirm, Rofft Bach was in the llwynon road, Wyddfyd Road, Ty Gwyn Road, Old road junction area. Was this known as Black Gate ?
Completely different subject but i found a reference to the 17th.battallion RWF in Ivor Wynne Jones book p138 saying that in 1915 (the year John Roberts enlisted)  they were on the Somme and ordered to take Mametz Wood by Field Marshall Haig. Apparently he didnt want to do this but was responding to pressure from the French. There was no prize to be had by either side but the attack went on with the inevitable loss of life. Llandudno went on to adopt the little French village in 1920.
This sure makes for sad reading, i hope ive read it right and got the story right.
 

[Hugo]

Emma, the black gate was a gate situated at the point where the tram track crosses into Ty Gwyn Road. The gate was closed to save the sheep from wandering down the Orme into town but all the old tradition of farming stopped when Lord Mostyn effectively stole the land from the people of Llandudno.
I don't know when the original black gate was removed but the name has always stuck to that area. It was at the junction of the 5 roads that you have listed.
The Ffolt graveyard is the one where Richard and the family are buried. I was looking at it on Google Earth this weekend but it is not obvious to see from the road or the air.
If you want to see it go into Glanwydden past the windmill, turn right at the Queens Head and go down Waun Road.  Then take the first left up Ffordd Wiga. The Cemetery is on the right before the first houses and you gain entry through a metal kissing gate.  The new part is neat and tidy but the old Cemetery is overgrown with trees and brambles etc.

[TheMedz]

There are quite a few post card pictures and photos of Blackgate through the last 100 years or so posted on the "Old Post Cards - Great Orme" pages (especially the last couple of pages) on the forum shown in the related topics list below .

[emma p]

 
Cheers. Ive had a good look through. Theyre great.