Miriam and Isaac Jones ( Yr Ogof)

[Cambrian]

Helig

The Llanddoged church registers were copied quite a few years ago by the then Clwyd Archives service.  These may have been transferred to Conwy if you look at their online catalogue under reference CEP29.

Following closure of the church, there is material awaiting transfer to the Conwy Archives. 

[AJ]

Thank you so much for the time you have both invested

[Helig]

I think the death registration for John Jones is in Conwy RD in the June quarter of 1916. It shows his age as 35. This fits in with the details of the accident and his death subsequently. The reference is: Vol 11B Page 673. I don't think it will achieve anything to obtain the certificate but the age given indicates his year of birth to be 1881.

[Hugo]

Helig and Hugo
I went for a walk round Gogarth yesterday and when I passed the house were the cave was the family were sitting on the terrace.  Someone very kindly showed me inside the garage.  There is no evidence of the cave in the garage apart from a small cupboard in the rock. He explained that the cave did not carry on straight behind the garrage door but ran parallel to Marine Drive, so the garrage door is were the side was rather than the front.  The cave was completely demolished and stretched the length of the garrage and across the patio. He allowed me to take a photo but it just looks like a brick garrage.
Thank you Cambrian for your advice, I shall try that.

You were very lucky to have the chance of seeing the cave for yourself.   Did they mention the cave or tunnel that goes from the house under the Marine Drive to the Summer House on the other side of the road?

[AJ]

Sorry Hugo, I didn't ask about the tunnel, i can not have been in the garage because it was just a brick garage.   I do have a picture of the garage but do not want to post it online publicly because it would not be fair to the family but if you would like a copy i could send one to you.

[AJ]

I think the death registration for John Jones is in Conwy RD in the June quarter of 1916. It shows his age as 35. This fits in with the details of the accident and his death subsequently. The reference is: Vol 11B Page 673. I don't think it will achieve anything to obtain the certificate but the age given indicates his year of birth to be 1881.

Thank you for your time, i'll follow this up

[AJ]

Helig

The Llanddoged church registers were copied quite a few years ago by the then Clwyd Archives service.  These may have been transferred to Conwy if you look at their online catalogue under reference CEP29.

Following closure of the church, there is material awaiting transfer to the Conwy Archives.

Briilant thank you

[Hugo]

Sorry Hugo, I didn't ask about the tunnel, i can not have been in the garage because it was just a brick garage.   I do have a picture of the garage but do not want to post it online publicly because it would not be fair to the family but if you would like a copy i could send one to you.

Thanks for your kind offer AJ but I'm hoping to see it for myself sometime in the future so I don't need to see a copy now but thanks anyway

[Hugo]

Just one question AJ,     what was your Great Nain's Christian name, the widow of John Jones who died in 1916?     

[AJ]

Sorry for late reply Hugo,
It was Annie and her maiden name was Evans 
I'm still waiting for their marriage certificate.

[Hugo]

Thanks very much AJ

[Hugo]

.Ancestry has a marriage for what could be them in Llandudno 13/11/1861, Isaac Jones, full age, bachelor, Fisherman, residence Gogarth, father Hugh Jones, sawyer. Miriam Owens, full age, spinster, residence Wydfyd, father William Owens, blacksmith. This marriage was registered in Conwy RD in the December quarter of 1861. Vol 11b Page 963.

There is a possible baptism for Isaac Jones in the Calvinistic Methdodist Chapel in Beaumaris on 10 May 1813. He was born 29 March 1813 and the son of Hugh and Elizabeth Jones. Hugh being a Farmer.

It looks as though Isaac and Miriam were together before they married.

This is a distraction from the topic but interesting nevertheless.

Although this is a distraction from AJ's original request I found something on the Free Reg  that differs slightly to the above findings
Firstly Isaac was reportedly born in 1811 and the Baptism I found ties in with his birth year and the Amlwch connection
I do not subscribe to any sites but use the free sites and so I am restricted to getting the full info like in the 1861 Census.
This was carried out on Sunday 7th April 1861 and in that Isaac has said that he is married, yet other records show that he was married later on in the year so it is all a bit confusing.
Whatever may be true, the fact is that they had a lot of children in a short space of time

[AJ]

Just had letter from the General Register Office, they couldn't find the marriage certificate for Annie and John.  AS i can't find John's birth certificate, I think finding a connection between my Great grandfather and Miriam and Isaac is unrealistic if I can't find John's parents' names. Thank you all so much for you help, I've really enjoyed the trying to find the link.

[Hugo]

AJ  sorry to hear that the General Registry couldn't find the marriage certificate, that's frustrating for you but don't give up yet as  you just need a bit of luck sometimes

I've just had a go on Free BMD and put in a different criteria and come up with the following but there is no proof that these are your relatives:-
John O Jones  married Annie W Evans    Conway Registration district Quarter ended March 1912   Vol  11b  575
I've cross checked the entries too.
If John O  or Annie W  rings a bell let me know and I can explain what to next

[Helig]

I was surprised to see you couldn't obtain the marriage certificate. I had another look at this and there is something strange about it. I must confess I wonder whether I have made a mistake with the reference I gave in my former post. FreeBMD shows a marriage in Llanwrst RD in the December quarter 1910 between John Jones and Anne Evans, ref Vol 11b, page 591. In my previous post I gave a different page number of 745 and I wonder if that is why they couldn't trace it. I cannot explain where I got that number from. Please accept my apologies. From details of where they were living at that time I would have expected them to marry in Llanwrst RD.


The marriage in Conwy RD in the March quarter of 1912 between John O Jones and Annie W Evans, ref vol 11b. page 575 is possible but nowhere else has John been shown as having a middle initial of O. Everything places him around Trefriw at that time. It is possible Annie was from another area however. The 1911 census states that they have been married for less than 1 year which suggests they married in 1910, or 1911.