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Offline Ian

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2011, 08:29:05 am »
Is everyone really on Facebook?

From the Register:

Facebook is arguably one of the greatest inventions ever, given its capacity to bring so many disparate people together in one place and connect us. But it's also a real concern that we may be giving Facebook far too much control of the web.

The problem, however, is that it's just so easy to do so. TechCrunch's Jon Evans rhapsodizes about how much he hates Facebook and its Comments functionality. Facebook Comments reduces  everything down to a single dumbed-down inescapable standard, relentlessly mediocre and devoid of any color or possibility, he says. Yet, Evans admits that he'd continue to use it.

Why?

    t is easy to plug in, and it does solve the troll problem, and everyone's already on Facebook, and it helps to spread links, and it's just barely good enough and easy enough that it's not worth wrestling with alternatives.


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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2011, 01:48:14 am »
I seems that you cannot now teach Religious Studies in the UK, without being a fervent member of a particular faith yourself.

If you do, you risk severe injury, or even death,   See here below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13566526

Sadly, It seems that we have not progressed at all from the days of heresy in the last 700 years.... what is to be done?
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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2011, 12:02:34 pm »
This is a Christian country that is tolerant of other Religions and people know this when they decide to live here. If the extremists cannot accept this then there is an alternative for them.  The trouble is that people here cannot express themselves without being accused of being a racist or Nazi or some other stupid comment. 
If we travel or go to live in another country then we have to live by the rules of the country we are in and it should apply here too.
Immigration as well as deportation should be much stricter and anyone either an EU citizen or otherwise who commits a crime should be deported if they weren't born here.
I'm amazed that people from Nepal have such difficulty coming here when they value our country so much and their soldiers fight for us and risk their lives. Yet those that supposedly despise our way of life seem to be freely able to come here and do what they want including claiming the benefits that this country provides,

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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2011, 08:05:58 pm »
Agreed Hugo.

At some point in the 80's, (when were a much richer nation and society was of a different disposition) we fell soft on this issue,  and then there was no turning back.

Sadly, a rot set in... attitudes changed, morals sadly went out of the window... and now it is almsot irreversable.   

I say ''almost'' because it would require draconian legislation plus a serious sea-change in society's acceptance of hard-line governent to change the current situation.

No more Mr Nice Guy is the way forward.
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« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2011, 09:30:14 pm »
The UK is far too soft on extremists and the EU and it's "Human Rights" has got a lot to answer for.    National security for this country should over ride these rules as they would do in war time and the people should be deported without appeal etc.
We've had at least two instances this year when illegal immigrants have killed people and yet they have not been deported because it would affect their Human rights.
As far as I am concerned they have lost their Human rights once they have committed these crimes and should be returned to their own country to serve the prison sentence.

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2011, 09:53:48 pm »
If only we had tha balls of the Australians.




It seems like the Australian's are made of the right stuff!

I wish the leaders of our country would take a stand like Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to
get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head
off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his
ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some
radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept
that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament.

"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or
a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national
television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing
people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law,
that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent
courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to
go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better
option," Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said
those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other
country.

Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did
not want to accept local values should "clear off".

"Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to
live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically
clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on
Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's
mosques.

AMERICA and Canada..... ARE YOU LISTENING? …AND THE UK AS WELL!!!

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IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am tired of
this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their
culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge
in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically
correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism
was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge
against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.

However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our
country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have
our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.

This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak
mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,
or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our
society, Learn the language!

Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing,
political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
new home, Because God is part of our culture.

We will accept your beliefs and will not question why, all we ask is that
you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.

If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you
should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means keep your
culture but do not force it on others.

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
every opportunity to enjoy all this.
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our
Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you
take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".

If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You
asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.


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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2011, 10:19:49 pm »
As Australians, we have
our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2011, 08:02:04 am »
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If only we had tha balls of the Australians.

Sorry, paddy - it's just not true
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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2011, 10:54:43 am »
The e-mail may not be true according to the Hoax Slayer but the sentiments expressed in it must convey the thoughts of the majority of people both in Australia and the rest of any civilised society.

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2011, 01:13:26 pm »
The e-mail may not be true according to the Hoax Slayer but the sentiments expressed in it must convey the thoughts of the majority of people both in Australia and the rest of any civilised society.

Very well said Hugo. I totally agree.

Offline Dwyforite

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2011, 01:13:57 pm »
i agree with Hugo to the letter,and whilst on holiday recently in a resort in tenerife  which me and the wife love i ventured into a cheap phone call shop where you pay  a reduced rate for your call this shop was run by somali muslims,on the wall was a carpet depicting this scene ,there was an arab man riding on a small donkey he had a large parasol  to  shade himself  from the sun and a rope from the donkey to his dog and thence to his wife and the baby she was carrying,it then struck me how little the arab regards his wife and their child probably a female.how different to a christian he would be leading the donkey with his wife and child onboard shaded from the sun with the parasol and the dog following,needless to say that was the last time i used the shop

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2011, 06:00:42 pm »
Aboriginal people became Australian citizens in 1949, when a separate Australian citizenship was created for the first time (before that time all Australians, including Aborigines, were "British subjects"). Aboriginal people from Queensland and Western Australia gained the vote in Commonwealth elections in 1962. However, the Commonwealth voting right of Aborigines from other states was confirmed by a Commonwealth Act in 1949 (the constitution already gave them that right but it was often interpreted differently prior to 1949). They got the vote in WA state elections in 1962 and Queensland state elections in 1965.

But one result of the two constitutional amendments was that Indigenous Australians ceased to be mentioned at all in the national constitution.

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2011, 06:17:34 pm »
I seem to remember Catholics and Protestants (both Christian) killing each other in "civilized" United Kingdom.  $uk

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Re: Points to Ponder
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2011, 08:50:20 pm »
That particular 'letter' simply seeks to propagate ill feeling and perpetuate lies and myths about minority social groupings. Before any of us start becoming too eager to join the chorus of approval for the sentiments, we should remember that most large societies in the West have treated their original natives despicably, and our own track record with regard to Islamic culture is no better.  About a thousand years ago, Islamic scholars had worked out the distance of the moon from the earth, at a time when we were still living in mud huts. Finally, closely reading that 'letter' reveals astonishing disingenuity, as well as being essentially a fabric of lies.
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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2011, 10:35:40 pm »
Thats as maybe Ian, but flashes of inspiration and mathematical genius in medieval times, can't make up for the complete change in direction that ''younger'' generations are taking Islam these days. 

It is not at all about media conspiracies, or scaremongering.
If anything, the media are afraid (or not allowed) to tell us the real extent of the problem.
Just try living in or near a Muslim community, and see how comfortable you feel after a relatively short time.

I'm afraid that a major change is happening in the world, in terms of disproportionate birth rates, and a new culture whereby the majority expect luxurious lives, but refuse to work hard or even contribute anything to get it.

 

 
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