Eglwysbach graveyards

[anneelaine]

  Hello  again,
Can anyone please tell me, how I can find  who is in graves in Eglwysbach churchyard I'm looking at 1800s
Thanks, AE.

[DVT]

Hi anneelaine ...

... I have vsiited every grave in Eglwysbach looking for Thomas's and found a few that are in my family tree, along with a few other links - I have these listed!

... something else I did, a few years ago, was on Findympast.com key in a name I knew was from Eglwysbach (my great-grandfather Lewis Thomas 1821-1899) and when I found his death went to the original document which gave you a page of the burials around the same time - does not say where they;re buried but most are in the church graveyard  You could then scroll the pages back and forth and cover many years, so you could find the name you are looking for.  Same thing with births, baptisms and marriages as in some cases when you can view the original entry, then scan back and forth to see everyone else.  Let me have names if you want me to try and find them.

... you may also find info on here, but you will need to register.

https://billiongraves.com/cemetery/St-Martins-Eglwysbach/289157

https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/a714ce58-cd6f-3ae4-8e90-ed430716ef68

Regards
Dave

[anneelaine]

Hi, Dave,
I am looking for Thomas Hughes to,  born 1818 Eglwysbach,  thinking I had found him, his father also but!!!!
Now,  think its  NO 
  Do not think now, if I have his mother right, Been told it was Elizabeth  Née Davie Born 1817 death 1877
So I  was going to pop up on the bus to the graveyard and take a look, but what am I looking for. Everyone is called Thomas Hughes  
I have Thomas Hughes born  Eglwysbach  1818 death Llandudno 1879. This is true.
 I have a lot of family who have the wrong guy for  him, in their trees and All have put down  Thomas Hughes (1791-1861 791 • Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales
DEATH DEC 1861 • Gwaenysgor, Flintshire,  But he is with his wife, in the grave not one off my grandmothers  Elizabeth Rees
1786–
BIRTH 1786 • Flintshire, Wales
DEATH Unknown But,  she may not be right.
Someone in the family tree had his father as Roger Hughes and his mother as Jane, No dates But,
Thanks AE

[anneelaine]

Dave ,
may have found something. On finemypast,
Thomas
1817—
1879
Denbighshire Burials
Eglwysbach, Denbighshire, Wales.
But  I am not on this one
O dear.
AE

[Helig]

What definite information do you have please?

Are the dates for his mother correct? If she had been born in 1817, then he would have been born much later than 1818. Do you have a marriage for her?

There is a Genuki on Eglwysbach:

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Eglwysbach

In those days there were many non conformist chapels. It could be he was baptised in one of those. Many of their records didn't survive and nothing is held in the archives.

Thomas Hughes is likely to be a common name around there. You will need to provide all the details for us to try and identify him if we can.

Helig

[DVT]

Hi anneelaine ...

... I have gone through quite a bit of the GeniUK stuff about Eglowysbach (note it is often called Eglwysfach).

... on the 1841 there is a Thomas Hughes (aged 24, so born about 1817) at Bryn Pwll Budr with his wife Elizabeth (also aged 24) along with a 4-year-old named Jane Davies

... on the 1851 census Thomas Hughes (aged 33) at Bryn Pwll Budr with his wife Elizabeth (aged 34) and children Harriet (10), John (7), Elizabeth (4), Evan (3) and Mary (2 months).  Thomas is an agricultural labourer.  Bryn Pwll Budr was located where the hamlet of Brymbo, mid-way between Graig and Eglwsybach village, is now.

... he is there again in 1861 but at 2 Pen y Ffordd aged 41 - wife Elizbaeth is with him (aged 34) and Mary who is now 10 years old.  Then there are more children - Ann (, Phoebe (5) and Catherine (2).  Note that ages on early census can easily be up to 5 years out, but this does look like the same family.

... I had these on my records as my great-grandmother was a Catherine Hughes but it is not the same one as on the 1861 census.

... as helig says, please try and give accurate info so that we can help.

[anneelaine]

Thank you Helig,
this is his will Hope it comes up,
His wife as far as I know was Davies
Name GRO birth registrations for the children have her as Davies
Elizabeth
Davies
Status
Deceased
Birth Date
1817
Birthplace
Eglwys-Fach, Denbighshire, Wales
Death Date
April 1877
Death Place
Conway, Caernarvonshire
His family,
Harriet Hughes
1841–

John Hughes
1845–1921

Elizabeth Hughes
1847–

Evan Hughes
1848–1930 Was a builder in Llandudno

William Hughes
1849–

Mary Hughes
1851–

Anne Hughes
1853–1915

Pheobe Hughes
1856–1933


Catherine Hughes My Great grandmother
            1859–192I

           Harriet Hughes
1841– I have got  cousins from her DNA its low cm but a match just meet in Llandudno
  And we have a look of each other.,
But they  do  not know
 any more than me,
 That's all I have Sorry.
It is the same family Dave thank you.
I was thinking maybe if I found his grave his father & mother are with him,
so one way off finding out for sure.
AE

[anneelaine]

Hi Helig,
Yes I can see what you're saying,
Elizabeth
Davies was born 1817
her husband Thomas Hughes was born 1818, both born Eglwys-Fach
Cannot find a marriage for them at all.
Before that lost.
AE

[DVT]

Hi annelaine ...

... could this be your Thomas Hughes, born 6 April 1817 to John Hughes and Mary Jones of Coedgolau, John was a labourer.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FWAL%2F4631007%2F00022&parentid=GBPRS%2FB%2F879090290%2F1

,,, and could this be your Elizabeth Davies, born 1 March 1818 to Evan Davies and Elizabeth Jones of Brynpwllbudr, Evan was a labourer.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FWAL%2F4631007%2F00025&parentid=GBPRS%2FB%2F879090318%2F1

Regards
Dave

[Helig]

Freereg has a marriage in St Collen, Llangollen on 21/12/1841: Thomas Hughes married Elizabeth Davies.

I think that may be another couple but just bear in in mind. There is a marriage registered for this in Corwen District and the reference is Vol 27 Page 214.

FreeBMD has a marriage registered in Llanwrst District in the June quarter of 1841 and the list includes an Elizabeth Davies and Thomas Hughes. There is no guarantee this couple were matched as there are 8 names in total:

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1841&end=1841&sq=2&eq=2&type=Marriages&vol=27&pgno=279&db=bmd_1595843552&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTU5NzU4NDI5OToyOWZhYTVkZTcyODU2YzgzYTdmYzZlZjg4N2ZlMzUzNzAzZDQ1ZTY1&searchdef=start%3D1838%26s_surname%3Ddavies%26end%3D1841%26type%3DMarriages%26eq%3D4%26given%3Dthomas%26db%3Dbmd_1595843552%26countyid%3Dall%26surname%3Dhughes%26sq%3D1&action=Find

Do you know where the children were baptised, or born? I have searched FreeBMD and it appears their births were registered in Llanwrst, is that correct?

Where did you obtain the year of 1877 for the death of Elizabeth Hughes, nee Davies? I cannot find a burial for anyone in Conwy of that name which matches her in that year.

Helig

[DVT]

Sprry annelaine ... those dates I quoted are dates of babtism and not birth, although are probably only a few days out.

[anneelaine]

Hi,
Helig. DVT ,I got this,
 Name:   Elizabeth Hughes
Estimated birth year:   abt 1817
Registration Year:   1877
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:   60
Registration district:   Conway
Parishes for this Registration District:   View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:   Caernarvonshire
Volume:   11b
Page:   428
As far as I know its Llanwrst. The family had a lt to do with the place.
 
My dad was always saying something about the place
I have been here lot as a child, but I only know the station, everything else is a blank  we had a lot of family here but do not know who  I was only young at the time
 Thanks. AE

[anneelaine]

Helig, 
  Harriet Hughes
1841–
BIRTH ABT 1841 • Eglwysbach, Denbighshire, Wales

                Was first child to be born
 FreeBMD has a marriage 1841 and the list includes an Elizabeth Davies and Thomas Hughes. So this could be it.
AE

[Cambrian]

If it helps, Llanrwst was a registration district in its own right from 1837 until 1935 when it became a sub-district of Hiraethog. Eglwysbach was within the Llanrwst District and Sub-District.

[Cambrian]

I meant to add that the Gwynedd Family History Society produced a record book of all the graves and memorials in St Martin's church yard with locations of individual graves.