Covid restrictions enforcement

[Fester]

So now, it’s impossible to go to a premier league football match, (and by inference any other sporting occasion) without being fully vaccinated.
How is this not a move towards compulsory vaccination?

[Hugo]

It's not compulsory to go to a Premier League match or a night club or overseas travel either, that's just an individuals choice.  We just live in difficult times and the rules, like them or not are done for the safety of everyone

On a TV debate this week there was concern over the number of people isolating because they had been "pinged"     Many of those had been double jabbed and probably didn't need isolating but the suggestion put forward was that perhaps all those people who hadn't had the vaccine should be made to isolate instead.
That way perhaps the majority of people would perhaps remain safer     

[norman08]

Not yet Hugo, last Monday night clubs opened up but in September they say they are bringing in you have to have 2 jabs 🤔 Shouldn't it have been from Monday, football they are saying from October 2 vaccines that 10 games+' I'll have been to before the ruling comes in, bonkers Boris and his cronies, no wonder the public are giving up.   

[Hugo]

It's bonkers as you say Norman, if they are going to introduce that 2 jab rule then they should have done it immediately and not after the virus has had chance to get a hold again.
This lot,  Boris and co have made one mistake after another and it would be a joke if the matter wasn't so serious.   

[Fester]

I would accept compulsory vaccination as a policy, if the authorities took a similar hard line on more important health matters.
For example, Covid has killed less than 3m people worldwide, and the entire world has been paused if not wrecked because of it.
But, smoking related diseases killed nearly 18 million folk in 2019.
I don’t see the government cracking down on exposing the populations of the world to cigarette smoke?
I don’t see smokers being barred access to public events, or forced to have remedial treatment to make them stop.
The priorities are all wrong,  and I am starting to smell a rat.

[Ian]

Covid has killed less than 3m people worldwide, and the entire world has been paused if not wrecked because of it.

Actually, deaths world wide are now 4,163,416.

But, smoking related diseases killed nearly 18 million folk in 2019.

Not quite sure where you're getting the figures from but smoking-related deaths last year were only around 7m. And people choose to smoke. They don't choose to become infected.

I don’t see the government cracking down on exposing the populations of the world to cigarette smoke? I don’t see smokers being barred access to public events, or forced to have remedial treatment to make them stop.

Well, they are in the UK.

The priorities are all wrong,  and I am starting to smell a rat.

Such as?

[Fester]

What measures are the U.K. government bringing in to stop people smoking in close proximity to others?
I’m smelling a rat based on a FOI request a friend of mine did to his local NHS trust, to ask precisely how many patients had died purely of covid, and of no other possible cause.
The answer he got was less than five, a negligible figure compared to those quoted dying in his area by the UK.GOV, after having a positive Covid test in the last 28 days.
It would appear that NHS Trusts can’t lie when approached in this way.

[Ian]

If your friend were to submit a similar request in the same language but about, say–heart disease, or Jaundice, for example, he'd get a similar response. In fact, it's difficult for any medical specialist to say with total certainty what someone has died from.  It's astonishing how little we really know about human conditions and biological interactions.

But this isn't new; the same point was being made as deaths started to climb back in 2020 by leading clinicians. The problem is that very few of us are in 'perfect' health. The original virus didn't directly kill the hosts;  almost all the time it was the patients' own immune responses which did.

I've been bitten by horseflies twice this summer. I felt the first, but not the second. But for three weeks afterwards, each arm responded by swelling and itching furiously. I know that was down to my own immune system, but I put it down to the horseflies. After all, if I hadn't been used as breakfast then my arms would  have remained swell and itch free.

[Hugo]

I've been bitten by horseflies twice this summer. I felt the first, but not the second. But for three weeks afterwards, each arm responded by swelling and itching furiously. I know that was down to my own immune system, but I put it down to the horseflies. After all, if I hadn't been used as breakfast then my arms would  have remained swell and itch free.

That reminded me of the time a few years ago when I was walking with two friends above Prestatyn.     We were all wearing shorts and each of us got bitten by horseflies, both of my friends Horsefly bites cleared in a month but mine didn't.
About 18 months later I went to the doctor as the wound was increasing in size and I eventually had it removed and about three stitches in it.   The GP said that it was "foreign body syndrome"       I suppose we are all different and our immune systems will be different too

[Hugo]

This was an interesting headline  "Man films moment Welsh holiday park refuses to serve him indoors in dispute over masks
Philip Raeburn said he had a hidden disability but was not carrying proof of exemption"      In the article he said: “Not all disabilities are visible, I don’t want to wear a beacon above my head or sign or flashing lights saying right, I have problems.”

Is this the same Phil Raeburn that is a pro boxer and cage fighter who lives in Wales?      Perhaps this "hidden disability" is the reason he hasn't had a boxing match for two years



https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-films-moment-welsh-holiday-21200158

[SteveH]

North Wales Live attended Cube nightclub on Dean Street in Bangor as it welcomed back club-goers.

"Upon entry, people had their temperature checked and were urged to use the various different hand sanitiser stations    within the venue.

"Across all four rooms, it was a relief to see that the world getting back to some sort of normal and people are enjoying themselves after such a tough 18-months.

"The atmosphere was incredible, seeing people able to dance was probably the biggest thing for them...you could see the excitement on some of their faces.

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/satisfying-scenes-nightclubs-across-north-21263100

[SteveH]

Couple shut Anglesey shop for first time in 12 years after 'shocking' abuse from anti-mask customers
An aggressive customer started to swear at the shop owners because they wouldn't let her in without a mask

cont https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/couple-shut-anglesey-shop-first-21288808


Edinburgh Woollen Mill's warning over 'rules in England' posted at North Wales store
Sign in shop window said “although no longer compulsory by law in England we kindly encourage you to continue to wear face coverings”

cont  https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caernarfon-store-confuses-english-welsh-21305778

[SAJ]

Absolutely appalling behaviour. I feel for the shop owners for whom things have been difficult enough. As for Edinburgh Woollen Mill, it seems they need a geography lesson. I can understand the occasional confusion here in Flintshire as a border county, where places like Airbus are frequently described on news reports as being in “Broughton, Chester” (I was once perplexed by a member of staff at a Broughton eatery responding to my query about the lack of any marking of St David’s Day with, “Why would we do that, we’re in England”), but no excuse at all further west. Indeed, no excuse at all for abusive behaviour.

[SteveH]

Well said..........

[SteveH]

Some passengers have complained of being crammed into carriages with strangers refusing to wear masks on Welsh trains, despite Covid laws.

In Wales face masks remain a legal requirement on public transport, while in England they are only advised.

A number of passengers told BBC Wales people were ignoring calls to put on masks, leaving them feeling unsafe.

Transport for Wales (TfW) said it was urging travellers to wear masks on all services.

Since the start of the pandemic, 8,800 people have been barred from getting on a TfW train for not wearing a mask - with 2,047 people refused travel since the start of this year.

While most Covid restrictions were relaxed in Wales on 7 August, the wearing of face masks remains a legal requirement in most public places, including on buses and trains, unless you are exempt.

This is stricter than in England where face-mask laws ended on 19 July, with the UK government advising people to wear masks in crowded places.

cont https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58144669