Quiz Time (General Knowledge & Out of Area)

[hollins]

Yes, well done. They are having to divert the water from the reservoir to the water treatment place below so that they can do maintenance work in the depths of the dam. They were telling us that there is a long spiral staircase going down to where they will be working and obviously it has to be dry down there for them but the water still needs to get to the water treatment place.

[DVT]

Thanks for that ... I admit it was a total guess due to the comment about being close with Brenig, and knowing the forest rally stage well !!!

[Hugo]

What is the name of this place and where is it in N Wales?               

[Hugo]

Here are some more photos that may help

[hollins]

Is it Flagstaff Quarry kilns, Penmon?

[Hugo]

It certainly is Hollins,  well done       

Didn't you post a photo of Penmon on here recently?

[hollins]

Thanks. I think I posted some pics of a walk we did to Penmon in 2017 but I don't remember seeing the place in your quiz so I shall be interested when hopefully you will be posting your walk info.

[Hugo]

An old mill by the stream but where is it in N Wales?         

[DVT]

Sorry Hugo ... thought it seemed familar, so ...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.1758066,-3.8058532,3a,90y,131.8h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdKzF8T3yLzfMcqF4WzvREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

... my great-grandfather, a chap named John Vaughan was a miller back in the 1800's and into 1900's and was, at one time, there - as well as Melin-y-Coed where he met his wife.  He later was the miller at Pontwgan, near Rowen where my paternal grandmother was born and grew up.

[Hugo]

Well Done DVT   it's the Maenan Corn Mill         

We passed there on a walk we did recently and  went to see the mill after reading Chris Draper's book  " Walks in the Conwy Valley"
An interesting passage in the book referred to:-
"At the end of the 19th century John Vaughan, a monoglot Welshman from Llanefyddin Denbighshire was the miller there".

[DVT]

Thanks for that info - I didn't know he was famous !!!

He was born 1848 in Llannefydd where his father was a shoemaker.  In 1881 he is shown as a widower, but later married Margaret Williams, a milliner from Melin-y-Coed in 1883.  In 1891 John is on the census as a miller, boarding at Maenan Mill, but his wife is in Llannefydd with their three children, the eldest Alice (1884-1931) being my grandmother.  In 1901 they were in Pontwgan.  John died in 1930, aged 82, and is buried in Caerhun Church cemetery with his wife and their youngest son.

John and Margaret were my great-grandparents.  The surname Vaughan was given to me as my middle name.

[Robbie G]

 DVT Have you any  house names or details where the Vaughan`s & the Williams `s livid in the Llannefydd area please

[DVT]

1841 Robert Vaughan (Shoemaker, born 1818) was at the home of David Owens in Bontnewydd.

1841 Ellinor Williams (1815) with daughters Ellinor (1837) and Mary (1839) are listed under many entries for the Vicarage, Llannefydd - cannot read Ellinor's occupation, seems to be something mistress.

1851 Robert is shown as being in Llannefydd Village with wife Ellinor (1813) and children Ellinor (1838) and Mary (1839) who are both shown as Williams, along with three Vaughan children - Louiza (1845), John (1848) and Margaret (1850).  Seems Robert married Ellinor and took her two daughters as his step-children,

Cannot trace them in 1861 or 1871, although there is an Ellinor and Louisa at Rhydyddauddwr, Criccin, St Asaph (farm mid-way between Rhuddlan and St Asaph) as servants, and they would seem to be the same ones as above.

1881 Robert, Ellen (Ellinor) and John are in Fron Deg, Llannefydd.  John is shown as a 32 year old widower.

1891 at Fron Deg there is Margaret Vaughan (nee Williams) with children Alice Louisa Vaughan (1884), John Philip Vaughan (1888) and Robert Owen Vaughan (1890).  John is at Maenan Mill in 1891.  Robert & Ellinor are not listed.

After that John & Margaret Vaughan and children were in Pontwgan, Nr Rowen.


Any connection to yourself?

[Robbie G]

DVT  Thank you for your reply re place names Llannefydd , my wife is a Vaughan but the family originate in the Llanfair T H area .
However my family originate in the Llannefydd area Tan Y Gyrt a substantial farm in those days another farm Y Derm both farmed by 2 brothers ,Robert who farmed at Tan y Gyrt had 1 daughter who married a John Jones and eventually went to farm Rhydyddaudwr at Rhuddlan descendants of the family still farm there ,and Peter the younger brother farmed at Y Derm .
I don`t think there is any connection between the families  if you require any further information please let me know



























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[DVT]

Robbie ... there seem to be a lot of farming Vaughans in the Llannefydd area back in the 1800's and they could well link up further back.  Robert, the shoemaker, is the furthest back I can go with the Vaughan side of my family.  Ellinor and Louisa in my family were at Rhydyddauddwr in 1861, the farmer was Edward Ellis.