Elias Family

[viv]

no actual content in this, but an index of records kept: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/onlinelists/GB0221%20WM%201534.pdf

[viv]

Plas y Glyn, Llanfwrog (by Llanfaethlu) Anglesey : listed building http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/wa-24808-cartshed-granary-range-plas-y-glyn-llanfa/osmap      ranary building -this matches the Archives letter from Thomas Elias to Lord Newborough updating him n the barley and oats harvest!

[sgbright]

Thanks Viv.  We did see that earlier and is interesting.  Will try to find it during my visit.  I wonder if there is a residence still there.  You can see from this that my family was linked to the property for a number of generations.  http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I183969&tree=Welsh

I had not picked up that this was also linked to Lord Newborough. Its not very readable but earlier in my thread i posted the death notice of Edward Elias - it explains that he and his father were both Estate Manager for the Lord which probably explains their residence at the Mearn Abbey for most of the 19th century (if you go to the Mearn Abbey website and click on the "history" link the very end talks of the Elias family and how they built the current building in circa 1850.)

Thanks again

[Hugo]

Hi Hugo

This Plas y Glyn seems to appear in the family back to the early 1700s see     

http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I183900&tree=Welsh     

It refers to Plas Y Glynn Clynnog.  When I search on Ancestry I can see a Plas Y Glynn appearing in Llanfwog in the 1911 census.  Do you think this may be the same home?

That's a fantastic site Stuart and I've been looking at it again today. I hope that you have booked a long holiday because there is a lot of research you can do with your family.  You've the Gwynedd and Conwy Archives and also the Anglesey one which I see contains a lot of personal info about the family.
Plas Y glyn is just the name of a property and there are a lot of them around Wales. Clynnog on the other hand is a one off.   It's a village and I'm still inclined to think that there is or was a Plas Y Glyn there and that, that is where your ancestors came from. 

[dwsi]

Be careful not to confuse Llandwrog near Caernarfon with Llanfwrog near Holyhead. There is a Plas y Glyn in Llanfwrog, Holyhead.

[Hugo]

Be careful not to confuse Llandwrog near Caernarfon with Llanfwrog near Holyhead. There is a Plas y Glyn in Llanfwrog, Holyhead.

I know about Plas Y Glyn in Llanfwrog near Holyhead but those records point to a Plas Y Glyn in Cynnog and although I can't find any sign of the building in Cynnog I still think it was there and not on Anglesey but I could be wrong.

[sgbright]

Interesting and confusing.

The histfam and Ancestry sites describe things a little differently.  Here are the records for the same person:

Born in Plas Y Glyn, Anglesey, Wales on 11 Feb 1789 to Edward Elias and Elizabeth Parry (Ancestry.com)

Plas-y-Glyn, Clynnog, Caernarvonshire, Wales   (histfam)

I would tend towards the former which is sourced to the pedigrees of caernarvonshire which as I understand it was very much based on source records. 

[sgbright]

I also note that even today there seem to be a bunch of Elias families around Clynnog which I understand is close to Pwllheli.

[viv]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0DbhWsDENjAJ:wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-ELIA-WIL-1708.html+elias+plas+y+glyn+clynnog&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

This link was a bit hard to download, but kee trying as it explains the Clynnog to Plas y Glyn connection in the 18th century.I had to access it by clicking on the "cache"

[viv]

If you subscribe to Ancestry.com you should be able to open these links -they are all in there - Clynnog, Gorswen and Plas y Glyn.

[viv]

sorry -forgot to add link!!  http://records.ancestry.com/Default.aspx?sname=eli&dc=100&page=15

[viv]

http://wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-GLYN-LLI-0850.html

The ancestors of the first Lord of Newborough came from Clynnog  - Glynllifon -that mansion is still there

[Hugo]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0DbhWsDENjAJ:wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-ELIA-WIL-1708.html+elias+plas+y+glyn+clynnog&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

This link was a bit hard to download, but kee trying as it explains the Clynnog to Plas y Glyn connection in the 18th century.I had to access it by clicking on the "cache"

I think that this link answers all the questions.  William Elias was born in Clynnog but later moved to Plas Y Glyn in Llanfwrog near Holyhead.   There are photos of Plas Y Glen in the Anglesey Archives in Llangefni along with other personal records of the Elias Family.

[sgbright]

So it seems there were two Pas Y Glynn's one near Llanfwrog which is referred to in the piece about Thomas Elias and the one near Clynnog referred to in the histfam (citing the Pedigree of Caernarvon publication).  Seems odd that the family could be connected to both.   I guess there may be some clues in the material in the archives themselves some of which were written from Plas Y Glynn.  If anyone knows or has any connections with the Llanfwrog locale would be interesting to know if that is just a grain facility of if there is or was a home.  Looking forward to my trip - lots to see and do!

[sgbright]

Wow - photos of Plas Y Glen - very exciting.  Maybe it is just the grain facility that remains on the site.  thanks to you both.