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Offline DVT

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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #150 on: October 27, 2014, 01:53:36 pm »
As I can probably be blamed for stating this latest argument (discussion) I should point out what my issues with cyclists are:

The family cyclist on the prom and cycle paths is no problem, it's the "professional" ones clad in lycra and wearing shades even when it's raining that get me, many equipped with head-cams for some peculiar reason.

There was a long campaign for cyclists to use Llandudno Prom - nothing really wrong with that providing they ride safely and give way to pedestrians.  There has been loadsamoney spent on a cycle path from Penrhyn Bay right through to Rhyl (a pleasant rde, I have ridden a bike along that myself).  There is a cycle path through Llandudno Junction, plus the one alongside the river from Junction to West Shore (another pelasant ride I have tackled).  There's another heading west from Conwy.  All have been paid for largely by grants to which we've all contributed one way or another.

So, after doing all this to ensure the safety of these peddlers why do they still insist on riding in amongst the motor traffic?

I have, in the past, approached riders I have seen on the highway when there is a cycle path running parallel.  I have no doubt that many cyclists are intelligent human beings but the ones I have tried to hold conversation with seem to have a vocabulary consisting of just two words - the first starts with "f" and the second ends with the same letter.

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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #151 on: October 27, 2014, 02:05:37 pm »
As I can probably be blamed for stating this latest argument (discussion) I should point out what my issues with cyclists are:

The family cyclist on the prom and cycle paths is no problem, it's the "professional" ones clad in lycra and wearing shades even when it's raining that get me, many equipped with head-cams for some peculiar reason.

There was a long campaign for cyclists to use Llandudno Prom - nothing really wrong with that providing they ride safely and give way to pedestrians.  There has been loadsamoney spent on a cycle path from Penrhyn Bay right through to Rhyl (a pleasant rde, I have ridden a bike along that myself).  There is a cycle path through Llandudno Junction, plus the one alongside the river from Junction to West Shore (another pelasant ride I have tackled).  There's another heading west from Conwy.  All have been paid for largely by grants to which we've all contributed one way or another.

So, after doing all this to ensure the safety of these peddlers why do they still insist on riding in amongst the motor traffic?

I have, in the past, approached riders I have seen on the highway when there is a cycle path running parallel.  I have no doubt that many cyclists are intelligent human beings but the ones I have tried to hold conversation with seem to have a vocabulary consisting of just two words - the first starts with "f" and the second ends with the same letter.

The cycle path from say, Conwy to Llandudno for instance is not fit purpose. Parts of it are downright dangerous. Even if it was perfect, the journey on that would still take around 10-15 minutes longer than on the road. Cyclists are allowed to ride on the road so why shouldn't they?


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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #152 on: October 27, 2014, 05:31:10 pm »

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The cycle path from say, Conwy to Llandudno for instance is not fit purpose. Parts of it are downright dangerous. Even if it was perfect, the journey on that would still take around 10-15 minutes longer than on the road. Cyclists are allowed to ride on the road so why shouldn't they?
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I agree, the choice is that of the cyclist if they want to go faster, they have every right to ride on the road but they would be safer on the cycle track. That said those who ride at stupid speeds on the cycle path should get on the road.
The experiment on Llandudno Promenade has largely been a success and there's just one or two who risk it being reverted to pedestrian only by riding stupidly.

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« Reply #153 on: October 27, 2014, 06:14:21 pm »
There's little doubt that a hate / hate relationship exists between many drivers and cyclists. It's certainly true cyclists have a right to use the road but I suspect one problem a lot of car drivers have is that cyclists appear to believe the highway code only applies to everyone else.

I've seen them happily ignore red lights, ride on pavements, abruptly turn right without any signals and many seem to believe it's perfectly okay for them to ride the wrong way on one-way streets. Of course, it's only fair to point out that I've seen the same performances from drivers...

Another issue is that they universally appear to lay blame for any problems at the feet (or wheels) of the driver.  Why, for instance, is there no requirement for cyclists to be insured, why are there no requirements for them to wear fluorescent colours when cycling along roads and why do so many seem to assume that the rules are only made for drivers?

The usual argument advanced by the cycling fraternity is that cars are lethal weapons, whereas cycles can't hurt anyone, although someone in London was killed by a cyclist going through a red light. But cycles are now becoming frequent road users, and whereas many do cycle extremely well there's a growing minority that seem to actively resent any move towards making them accountable for their road behaviour.

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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #154 on: October 27, 2014, 07:56:15 pm »
  I am feeling brave. So I am going to point out something to Nemesis.

   I would just point out that legally it doesn't make any difference climbing up the little orme from Llandudno towards Penrhyn Bay whether or not the cyclists are in a bunch, two abreast or signally ---- a car/bus/lorry driver should not overtake them because there are double white lines all the way up. The highway code tells you that if they are cycling at a speed in excess of 10 mph, you stay behind.

   Whats Nemesis's slogan, Something about cross her at your peril

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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #155 on: October 27, 2014, 10:59:32 pm »
Perhaps more drivers should start driving on the cycle paths!  WWW
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #156 on: October 28, 2014, 01:43:10 pm »
  I am feeling brave. So I am going to point out something to Nemesis.

   I would just point out that legally it doesn't make any difference climbing up the little orme from Llandudno towards Penrhyn Bay whether or not the cyclists are in a bunch, two abreast or signally ---- a car/bus/lorry driver should not overtake them because there are double white lines all the way up. The highway code tells you that if they are cycling at a speed in excess of 10 mph, you stay behind.

   Whats Nemesis's slogan, Something about cross her at your peril

Hi Mike WWW
Exactly--and true,but what is the point of the nice little cycle track going on the' up side' if no one uses it? Going down is ok as the cyclists are usually going fast enough to tootle along at a normal speed behind them.
Wish I had a quid for every time I have seen drivers pass cyclists on a double white line  ;D
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #157 on: October 28, 2014, 02:04:03 pm »
Or try and squeeze past them on those islands you get in the middle of crossings.
Why don't drivers use a bit of common sense and wait 10 seconds!
Back in my cycling days I had one numpty miss my wheel my mere inches to get past me in Conwy only to then have to stop 5 yards down the road because he had to turn anyway.

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« Reply #158 on: October 28, 2014, 03:54:39 pm »
I have no issues with drivers or cyclists for the most part.... but I'm getting sick of PEDESTRIANS!

As I drive around Llandudno, it is like some macabre video game as pedestrians of all ages toddle out in front of my car, or as I turn a corner.   They hardly EVER look at the vehicle about to squash them, and if they do it is with utter disdain... as if to say ''what do you think you are doing, DRIVING on this road''?

When I first came to live here, I just assumed that all Llandudno citizens were born with Steel Legs, and are therefore invincible to cars!
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #159 on: October 28, 2014, 05:31:57 pm »
The most dangerous pedestrians are looking at phones or have earphones in listening to music and are totally oblivious to traffic!
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #160 on: October 29, 2014, 11:49:08 am »
The most dangerous pedestrians are looking at phones or have earphones in listening to music and are totally oblivious to traffic!

Not only a danger to traffic, but also to other pedestrians. Also why do parents allow children to ride scooters in shops? One yesterday in the £ shop nearly mowed 1/2 a dozen people over.
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #161 on: November 09, 2014, 11:17:18 am »
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #162 on: November 09, 2014, 12:21:29 pm »
Does anyone know exactly how many bed spaces there are in the Llandudno area to accommodate Tourists who wish to stay?   
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #163 on: November 11, 2014, 01:34:35 pm »
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Re: ASSETS to tourism in Llandudno
« Reply #164 on: November 17, 2014, 11:02:46 am »
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